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Old 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM   #21
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Even I think he focked up when he didn't allow for the Keystone pipeline.
Ehhh, everyone I've read on it but the Republican mouthpieces pretty much agree that Obama just didn't have enough time, and that the Republicans set a hard limit on it via legislation. All sides of the issue wanted it, except for the extremists that no one should listen to. Hell, even the (mainstream...do I really have to specify this? ) environmentalists were on board.

As Hustly pointed out, normally this sort of thing does not have a hard limit like was set by the Republicans. My cynical side believes that it was done intentionally to set Obama up for bad press - it's the only thing that explains the rather strange oddities surrounding this situation. Yet more political tit for tat that benefits no one, in other words.

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Oh but newt is a monster for "violating" a subjective tax code...
Once I see Newt denounce what he did and actually practice what he preaches, hey, Newt is golden in my book. Or maybe you are okay with hypocrisy? Just sayin', bro. I'm a huge fan of Ron Paul not because of his policies, but because he does what he says and he has remained consistent throughout his political carreer. I despise Romney and Newt for the same reason.

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Old 01-25-2012, 10:27 AM   #22
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"The Keystone pipeline received State Department approval on March 17, 2008, and began commercial operation in June 2010." To clarify, the main pipeline system that runs from Canada into the US already exists. Unconventional oil, gas and NGL plays have become more economical with advancing technology so that drilling and E&P has advanced rapidly in certain areas.

However, because many of the producers are smaller, they are not really capable of making a ~20-year investment in infrastructure so major pipelines and pipeline expansions have not kept up. The political process does not help.

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Cooperating agencies for the Keystone XL project are the:
  • U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
  • the Department of Transportation’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA)
  • Office of Pipeline Safety (OPS)
  • the Department of the Interior’s Bureau of Land Management
  • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
  • National Park Service
  • the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
  • the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Farm Service Agency
  • Natural Resources Conservation Service
  • Rural Utilities Service
  • the Department of Energy’s Western Area Power Administration
  • and state environmental agencies.
That's in addition to the State Department which acts as a delegate for the President, who has ultimate sign-off.

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The State Department released its Draft EIS for the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline project for public comment on April 16, 2010.28 The Draft EIS identified TransCanada’s “preferred alternative” (Figure 1) for the project as well as other alternatives considered. On July 16, 2010, EPA rated the Draft EIS “Inadequate.”29 EPA found that potentially significant impacts were not evaluated and that the additional information and analysis needed was of such importance that the Draft EIS would need to be formally revised and again made available for public review.

Additional criticism of the State Department’s implementation of the NEPA process followed an October 21, 2010, statement by Secretary Clinton that, while analysis of the project was not complete and a final decision had not been made, the State Department was “inclined to” approve the project.30 Critics of the project, including some Members of Congress, stated that the Secretary’s statement appeared to prejudge its permit approval for the pipeline proposal as a foregone conclusion.
This has been in the works for a while and has been politicized the entire time.

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Except that even the enviro groups support the pipeline.
That quote said nothing about the Sierra Club supporting the actual completion of the pipeline. Most of the environmental groups are opposed to the use and expansion of tar sands-derived oil. Most would prefer less access to oil, to force a change from a petroleum-based economy and society. The pipeline expansion represents more access to oil and potentially lower costs.

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Once I see Newt denounce what he did and actually practice what he preaches, hey, Newt is golden in my book.
How many times does he have to apollogize for that Pelosi enviro-video?
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Twenty thousand jobs is really not that many jobs and investing in green technologies will produce that and more. But I’ll tell you what, you know it seems to me that the Republicans would rather have an issue than a pipeline.
- Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) on Keystone Pipeline

How's that Chevy Volt doing again? Solyndra? All the jobs GE sent to China over light bulbs?


Not only is 20,000 jobs a lot, it also has an effect on: Uniform Laundering Services, Banking Services, Food Services, Transportation Services, Day Care Services, Construction Services, Window Cleaning Services, Decorating Services, Vendor Services, etc. Not to mention Grocery Stores, Retail Shops, Car Repair Shops, Health Insurance Companies, Gyms, Restaurants, Private Schools, etc.
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