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Old 05-22-2013, 12:48 AM   #1
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Maybe I'm not following my current event as I should, but is it only me but does the Immigration Reform Bill seem like the "2013 Obamacare"?

Discuss and tell me how you want me out of your country
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I tell all my friends about my friend from a third world country who votes conservative, is an atheist and hates blacks.
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All I have to say about it is **** Orrin Hatch.

That guy is a piece of **** who is actively taking part in outsourcing my field, and who (potentially) seriously damaged my field if the bill comes to fruition with the price he demanded.

/I have nothing good to say about the H1-B visas. The more traditional visas work as intended, H1-B is meant to do nothing more than outsource American jobs to other countries.
//I'm seriously hoping the bill is stopped just from that amendment, it will be incredibly hurtful to my field when there is already a glut of US citizens looking for work in it.


///This crap has been extensively documented.

//// http://www.cringely.com/2012/10/23/w...d-hurt-us-all/
////More details. Any politician that supports H1-Bs is either a willful fraud or a defrauded idiot.

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I tell all my friends about my friend from a third world country who votes conservative, is an atheist and hates blacks.
I don't hate blacks. I hate everyone, equally also.

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All I have to say about it is **** Orrin Hatch.

That guy is a piece of **** who is actively taking part in outsourcing my field, and who (potentially) seriously damaged my field if the bill comes to fruition with the price he demanded.

/I have nothing good to say about the H1-B visas. The more traditional visas work as intended, H1-B is meant to do nothing more than outsource American jobs to other countries.
//I'm seriously hoping the bill is stopped just from that amendment, it will be incredibly hurtful to my field when there is already a glut of US citizens looking for work in it.

PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards fo - YouTube

///This crap has been extensively documented.

//// I, Cringely What Americans don't know about H-1B visas could hurt us all ~ I, Cringely
////More details. Any politician that supports H1-Bs is either a willful fraud or a defrauded idiot.
What the frak did I just watched? and what do you do?
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What the frak did I just watched? and what do you do?
TLDW (Too Long Didn't Watch) cliffs: Companies openly hiring people (and in violation of federal law no less, violations which were not prosecuted under Bush and have not been prosecuted under Obama) to advise them on how to evade our hiring laws to hire foreign workers and bring them over here for a couple years.

I'm a software developer. I ducked into academia for a couple years to work on an advanced degree.
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TLDW (Too Long Didn't Watch) cliffs: Companies openly hiring people (and in violation of federal law no less, violations which were not prosecuted under Bush and have not been prosecuted under Obama) to advise them on how to evade our hiring laws to hire foreign workers and bring them over here for a couple years.

I'm a software developer. I ducked into academia for a couple years to work on an advanced degree.
I saw the video I was waiting for Ashton Kutcher to pop out from somewhere...
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this is why we can't have nice things.
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blaen - Thanks for the I, Cringely link. What I got from that read is that the H1-B visa program is (A) probably widely misunderstood and (B) seems superfluous.


What I would really like to hear is more from naturalized citizens and their experience with the process. I always hear stories about how impossible it is to become a US citizen legally and how long it takes but I genuinely don't know how accurate that is. I am also really curious how the process today differs from the process at the time when Ellis Island was in full swing.

I would guess a majority of us can trace our lineage back just a couple of generations (at most) before we find a family member that immigrated in to the US, probably working some shitty, low-wage job in the hopes of being able to provide their children a better life: Chinese laundry operators, Polish miners, Irish rail workers, Scandinavian factory workers, etc.


Without having a strong depth of knowledge on the subject, I am inclined to favor making legal immigration simpler - but that is largely predicated on the assumption that legal immigration today is a nightmare.
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What I would really like to hear is more from naturalized citizens and their experience with the process. I always hear stories about how impossible it is to become a US citizen legally and how long it takes but I genuinely don't know how accurate that is. I am also really curious how the process today differs from the process at the time when Ellis Island was in full swing.

Without having a strong depth of knowledge on the subject, I am inclined to favor making legal immigration simpler - but that is largely predicated on the assumption that legal immigration today is a nightmare.
Well I can tell you... is not easy but definitely not impossible. In order to obtain a visa one must present and prove to the U.S. embassy financial solidity via assets and bank accounts. The U.S. embassy then evaluates how valuable the person applying is and issues the visa accordingly. This is why there is illegal immigration. The majority if not all illegal immigrant come from very poor families and therefore are unable to comply with the requirements for a visa. Also people with visas immigrate illegally by filing for a tourist visa, which is the easiest to obtain, then staying in the U.S. once their period of stay in over. This is fairly common.

The path to citizenship through a permanent resident card has many roads.
Becoming a permanent resident without an anchor immediate family member already a permanent resident making a request for adjustment of status of a family member is much more difficult than obtaining a visa. The path through an anchor family member varies in time depending on the status of the status of the requesting party. Also in order to become a resident one must sign and affidavit that will guarantee financial independence and and prevent those requested from applying to any federal wellfare program.

Once a person is a permanent resident a work permit and social security number is issued. In order to become a citizen one must wait a minimum of five year then apply for naturalization. When applying for naturalization one must provide copies of tax returns, criminal background, and prove that the U.S. has been the place of permanent residency for minimum amount of years prior to filing the application. Once these information is reviewed and approved one can be sworn in as U.S. Citizen.

There is a loophole that grands residency and citizenship fairly quickly and easy, that is to marry a citizen and being requested through him/her. This will grant a work permit and social security in about 90 days and a green card in about six months as long as the person being requested did NOT cross the border illegally.

In my particular case it took 8 years from the time of application to the issuing of a green card. I would have probably waited longer had my father not become a citizen. I myself now am applying for citizenship.

I do not think that the requirements for legal immigration are ridiculous. I see it as a way to prevent potential parasites from entering the system.

A note for the cost:
- Appointment to apply for a visa ~$150 (in 2000)
- Permanent resident forms, medical evaluations, etc... ~$2500
- Apply for naturalization ~$700

None of the payments guarantee approval. They all are non-refundable application fees. The cost can easily triple if there is an attorney involved or a third party completing and filing the applications.
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Why would I want to reform the immigrants. The Mexicans make me some kickass food and do great at manual labor, absolutely nothing I want to change about them.
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