Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
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Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 658895)
Here is my .02.
If you joined to protect the country... pay shouldn't be on your mind. If you joined to get paid... realize the state of our economy and the hardships of EVERYONE... and suck it up you panzy. Props to those protecting our country... the rest... meh? One of the most ignorant things I've heard on here in a while. |
Originally Posted by JayL
(Post 658898)
Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
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Originally Posted by jbrown7815
(Post 658900)
Don't be naive... pay shouldn't be on someones mind?
One of the most ignorant things I've heard on here in a while. Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad. |
Well to be fair our military has hardly been used appropriately for years.
Needs more rattlesnake. 1. The rattlesnake is found in no other corner of the world except America. 2. She never begins an attack nor when once engaged, never surrenders… 3. She never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her." |
Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 658905)
People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad. |
Oh and there is no God, so fuck that.
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Originally Posted by jbrown7815
(Post 658913)
Oh and there is no God, so fuck that.
BUT our country was founded on a moral compass built by religion... thus it carries something there in my head. Some link to a past moral/ethical compass lost to so many people these days. Only reason the god/country bit was combined. |
Morality ends where a gun begins.
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Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 658905)
People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.
Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad. |
Originally Posted by jbrown7815
(Post 658913)
Oh and there is no God, so fuck that.
1. Support it 2. Ignore it If you use any other means to deal with religion (including "denounce it", "attack it", "degrade it", "overrule it", etc.) you may very well be part of the problem instead of part of the solution. |
1. To become a zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.
2. Your own happiness is the moral purpose of your life, with productive achievement as your noblest activity, and reason as your only absolute. |
No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/32...600x600Q85.jpg Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 658845)
After hundreds of resume sent and dozens of interviews it took me well over a year to finally score a new one.
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 658990)
No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/32...600x600Q85.jpg Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." |
Originally Posted by Splitime
(Post 658895)
Here is my .02.
If you joined to protect the country... pay shouldn't be on your mind. If you joined to get paid... realize the state of our economy and the hardships of EVERYONE... and suck it up you panzy. Props to those protecting our country... the rest... meh? That is like saying, you got a job at McDonalds to flip burgers, pay shouldn't be on your mind. WE HAVE FAMILIES TOO! Why the fuck shouldn't money be on our mind? Sure some people get paid money in the military to do nothing, sure. They don't call it hurry up and wait for nothing. Not all of us are like that. I work 100+ hours a week. 6 days a week. I have 50 soldiers to care for. I go to the field for a week once a month, which means no contact really with friends/family. No warm bed, no TV, no computer. It doesn't really bother me, but some of you would curl up and die. If you want what we have please join. See what we deal with. If you don't qualify, or don't want to kthxbai. I don't want you fucking sympathy. I do my job because I know what's out there. There are a lot more things that need to be looked at before they start getting crazy with the military. That is the last thing this country has left. Piss them off and game over. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 658845)
so we can help cover kids living at home under the age of 26.
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I agree with FRT 2 posts above. Though a week per month in the field is nothing compared to 6 months on a ship or in the desert. The military is not easy unless you go in for a desk jockey job or get lucky and go to shore duty right off the bat for your first (and probably only) enlistment.
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 658990)
No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/32...600x600Q85.jpg Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." |
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