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So, Joe, essentially what you seem to be describing is an ad hoc system in which uninvolved third parties get to decide who does and does not get to profit from any particular idea.
Yes. It is functionally identical to the ad-hoc system in which uninvolved third parties get to decide whether or not it is legal for me to break into my neighbor's house, how much tax I am required to pay, what frequencies cell-phone carriers may operate on, what safety measures the nuclear power plant located just north of here on I-5 must implement, etc.

There is a name for this. It's called "government." Without it, no society larger than a few dozen people can function.



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Why not do away with IP altogether? Sure, it removes the reward of guaranteed monopoly for a period of years, but it also removes the danger of inadvertent patent violations (and resulting penalties and injunctions) for innovative companies.
For the same reason that I would not argue for the removal of laws against murder. Sure, it would increase the likliehood of my being shot on the street, but it would also remove the danger of someone being falsely convicted and sentenced to execution or life-imprisonment.

You can't let the outliers dictate policy. You craft policy to serve the greatest good, and then deal with the exceptions as they occur. That's what the appellate court is for.
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Cool, so you're taking the pragmatic argument (I think argumentation from basic human rights is superior, but whatever).

I'm looking forward to seeing the evidence that current IP law strikes the most beneficial balance between innovation and competition (or indeed, that it benefits innovation at all, since I do know of plenty of economic studies that indicate that it not only impedes competition, it also impedes innovation, thus impoverishing society twice over).
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I'm looking forward to seeing the evidence that current IP law strikes the most beneficial balance between innovation and competition
I'd be curious to see a study which actually tried to determine the most optimum balance here as well.

No law is completely optimal for every situation. In the microprocessor industry, an innovation which is cutting edge today will be obsolete seven years from now, and not even available in the bargain-bin. In the diesel engine industry, many technologies developed in the 1960s are still current-gen.

So which industry should be the design-basis for the law? A three-year patent protection cutoff would be more than adequate for microprocessor designers. Mettalurgists, on the other hand, would probably love to see a 100 year cutoff.

I cannot imagine, however, any situation in which a sub-optimal IP law is better than no IP law at all.



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Well, of course it impedes competition. That's what it's supposed to do. As a reward for investing time and money into inventing something, you are granted the ability to sell it without fear of


And consider the following, and tell me how this example is accounted for by whatever studies you have read on the subject:


Intel develops a new method for predictive execution in a multithreaded environment. They start designing it into their desktop processors. This is processor generation "A"

AMD learns of this. At this point, we branch into one of two possible scenarios:

1: There is no patent law, and so AMD copies Intel's design verbatim and starts shipping it in their next-generation desktop processors, which is generation "B1". These processors yield identical performance to Intel's. Thus, when Intel gets around to designing processor generation "C1", they need only implement minor improvements in order to regain a performance advantage over AMD.

2: AMD is prevented from copying Intel's design, so they much design a better method of predictive execution. AMD's generation "B2" processor yields a performance improvement over Intel's then-current processor. So, for their next generation processor, Intel must exert even more R&D in order to leapfrog over what would have been the C1 design, and develop the C2 design instead, which yields even better performance. Mankind benefits from having faster computers.
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So, we're just making up cautionary tales about the necessity of IP protection, instead of actual economic studies. Figured.
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Yes, so far as I can tell, "we" are both doing that.
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I know my references exist, made a point to mention them, and will present them tomorrow.

Can't wait to read the abstracts for the (I'm sure) numerous studies demonstrating how IP increases societal wealth, whenever someone is willing to supply them.

EDIT: Here we go. For clickable links, go to the article.

Yet Another Study Finds Patents Do Not Encourage Innovation

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Study Finds Patent Systems May Not Be an Effective Incentive to Encourage Invention of New Technologies reports:

A new study published in The Columbia Science and Technology Law Review challenges the traditional view that patents foster innovation, suggesting instead that patents may harm new technology, economic activity, and societal wealth. These results may have important policy implications because many countries count on patent systems to spur new technology and promote economic growth.

The study is: Patents and the Regress of Useful Arts, by Dr. Andrew W. Torrance & Dr. Bill Tomlinson, Colum. Sci. & Tech. L. Rev. 10 (2009): 130 (Published May 15, 2009).

As those familiar with my libertarian and IP views know, I’m not a utilitarian (see my There’s No Such Thing As A Free Patent; Against Intellectual Property); but almost all IP proponents are, and claim that IP is “worth it” because it generates additional innovation the value of which is implicitly presumed to be obviously much greater than the relatively trivial cost of having an IP system. So it is striking that there seems to be no empirical studies or analyses providing conclusive evidence that an IP system is indeed worth the cost. Every study I have ever seen is either neutral or ambivalent, or ends up condemning part or all of IP systems. Utilitarian IP advocates remind of the welfarist liberals skewered by Thomas Sowell in his The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy–liberals continue to advocate policies long after there is overwhelming evidence these policies do not work, even by the naive, socialistic standards of their proponents; likewise, utilitarians keep repeating the mantra that we need patent and copyright to stimulate innovation and creativity, even though every study continues to find the opposite.

For other studies or discussion of same, see, e.g., Study: Free Markets Superior to Patent Monopolies; Kinsella, Revisiting Some Problems With Patents (2007); Bessen & Meurer: Patents Do Not Increase Innovation; There’s No Such Thing As A Free Patent (note 10); What are the Costs of the Patent System?; The Intellectual Property Quagmire, or, The Perils of Libertarian Creationism (slides 66 et seq.); Petra Moser, “How Do Patent Laws Influence Innovation? Evidence from Nineteenth Century World Fairs,” NBER Working Paper 9099 (August 2003) [AER 95(4), Sept. 2005?] (examines innovations exhibited at World’s Fairs during the 19th century and concludes that countries with patent systems do not have a higher rate of innovation per capita, but that patents affect the industries in which different countries make their innovations); Cole, Patents and Copyrights: Do the Benefits Exceed the Costs?; Lawrence Lessig, The Future of Ideas (2001); Padraig Dixon & Christine Greenhalgh, The Economics of Intellectual Property: A Review to Identify Themes for Future Research (November 2002); Fritz Machlup, U.S. Senate Subcommittee On Patents, Trademarks & Copyrights, An Economic Review of the Patent System, 85th Cong., 2nd Session, 1958, Study No. 15; Fritz Machlup & Edith Penrose, “The Patent Controversy in the Nineteenth Century,” Journal of Economic History 10 (1950), p. 1; Roderick T. Long, “The Libertarian Case Against Intellectual Property Rights,” Formulations 3, no. 1 (Autumn 1995); Stephen Breyer, “The Uneasy Case for Copyright: A Study of Copyright in Books, Photocopies, and Computer Programs,” Harvard Law Review 84 (1970), p. 281; Wendy J. Gordon, “An Inquiry into the Merits of Copyright: The Challenges of Consistency, Consent, and Encouragement Theory,” Stanford Law Review 41 (1989), p. 1343; Jesse Walker, “Copy Catfight: How Intellectual Property Laws Stifle Popular Culture,” Reason (March 2000).

See also: Jonathan M. Barnett, Cultivating the Genetic Commons: Imperfect Patent Protection and the Network Model of Innovation, 37 U. San Diego L. Rev. 987, 1008 (2000) (“There is little determinative empirical evidence to settle theoretical speculation over the optimal scope and duration of patent protection.”) (citing D.J. Wright, “Optimal patent breadth and length with costly imitation,” 17 Intl. J. Industrial Org. 419, 426 (1999)); Robert P. Merges & Richard R. Nelson, “On the Complex Economics of Patent Scope,” 90 Colum. L. Rev. 839, 868-870 (1990) (stating that most economic models of patent scope and duration focus on the relation between breadth, duration, and incentives to innovate, without giving serious consideration to the social costs of greater duration and breadth in the form of retarded subsequent improvement)); Tom W. Bell, Prediction Markets for Promoting the Progress of Science and the Useful Arts, 14 G. Mason L. Rev. (2006):

But [patents and copyrights] for the most part stimulate only superficial research in, and development of, the sciences and useful arts; copyrights and patents largely fail to inspire fundamental progress. … Patents and copyrights promote the progress of the sciences and useful arts only imperfectly. In particular, those statutory inventions do relatively little to promote fundamental research and development ….

And see Thomas F. Cotter, “Introduction to IP Symposium,” 14 Fla. J. Int’l L. 147, 149 (2002) (“[E]mpirical studies fail to provide a firm answer to the question of how much of an incentive [to invent] is necessary or, more generally, how the benefits of patent protection compare to the costs.”); Mark A. Lemley, Rational Ignorance at the Patent Office, 95 Northwestern U. L. Rev. (2001), at p. 20 & n. 74:

The patent system intentionally restricts competition in certain technologies to encourage innovation. Doing so imposes a social cost, though the judgment of the patent system is that this cost is outweighed by the benefit to innovation. … There is a great deal of literature attempting to assess whether that judgment is accurate or not, usually without success. George Priest complained years ago that there was virtually no useful economic evidence addressing the impact of intellectual property. … Fritz Machlup told Congress that economists had essentially no useful conclusions to draw on the nature of the patent system.

See further Julie Turner, Note, “The Nonmanufacturing Patent Owner: Toward a Theory of Efficient Infringement,” 86 Cal. L. Rev. 179, 186-89 (1998) (Turner is dubious about the efficacy of the patent system as a means of inducing invention, and would argue against having a patent system if this were its only justification); F.A. Hayek, The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism (U. Chicago Press, 1989), p. 36:

The difference between [copyrights and patents] and other kinds of property rights is this: while ownership of material goods guides the use of scarce means to their most important uses, in the case of immaterial goods such as literary productions and technological inventions the ability to produce them is also limited, yet once they have come into existence, they can be indefinitely multiplied and can be made scarce only by law in order to create an inducement to produce such ideas. Yet it is not obvious that such forced scarcity is the most effective way to stimulate the human creative process. I doubt whether there exists a single great work of literature which we would not possess had the author been unable to obtain an exclusive copyright for it; it seems to me that the case for copyright must rest almost entirely on the circumstance that such exceedingly useful works as encyclopedias, dictionaries, textbooks, and other works of reference could not be produced if, once they existed, they could freely be reproduced. … Similarly, recurrent re-examinations of the problem have not demonstrated that the obtainability of patents of invention actually enhances the flow of new technical knowledge rather than leading to wasteful concentration of research on problems whose solution in the near future can be foreseen and where, in consequence of the law, anyone who hits upon a solution a moment before the next gains the right to its exclusive use for a prolonged period. [citing Fritz Machlup, The Production and Distribution of Knowledge (1962)]

See also Kinsella, Patents and Innovation, noting economic historian Eric Schiff’s conclusion that when the Netherlands and Switzerland temporarily abolished their patent systems, they experienced increased innovation; Petra Moser’s finding that countries without patent systems innovate just as much, if not more, than those with patent systems.

For Mises’s views on IP, see Mises on Intellectual Property.

Update: David Koepsell has compiled a summary of some studies: see here and here, pasted below:

Bibliography with abstracts:

2006 Pollock, Rufus “Innovation and Imitation with and without Intellectual Property Rights, MPRA Paper No. 5025 http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/5025 Abstract: an extensive empirical literature study indicates that returns from innovation are appropriated primarily via mechanisms other than formal intellectual property rights and that “imitation” is itself a costly activity…

Debrah Meloso, Peter Bossaerts, Jernej Copic, “Promoting Intellectual Discovery: Patents versus markets” Science, Vol. 323. no. 5919, pp. 1335 – 1339, DOI: 10.1126/science.1158624. Abstract: Because they provide exclusive property rights, patents are generally considered to be an effective way to promote intellectual discovery. Here, we propose a different compensation scheme, in which everyone holds shares in the components of potential discoveries and can trade those shares in an anonymous market. In it, incentives to invent are indirect, through changes in share prices. In a series of experiments, we used the knapsack problem (in which participants have to determine the most valuable subset of objects that can fit in a knapsack of fixed volume) as a typical representation of intellectual discovery problems. We found that our “markets system” performed better than the patent system.

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Torrance, Andrew W. and Tomlinson, Bill, Patents and the Regress of Useful Arts (May, 28 2009). Columbia Science and Technology Law Review, Vol. 10, 2009. Available at SSRN: Abstract: Patent systems are often justified by an assumption that innovation will be spurred by the prospect of patent protection, leading to the accrual of greater societal benefits than would be possible under non-patent systems. However, little empirical evidence exists to support this assumption. One way to test the hypothesis that a patent system promotes innovation is experimentally to simulate the behavior of inventors and competitors under conditions approximating patent and non-patent systems. Employing a multi-user interactive simulation of patent and non-patent (commons and open source) systems (“The Patent Game”), this study compares rates of innovation, productivity, and societal utility. The Patent Game uses an abstracted and cumulative model of potential innovations, a database of potential innovations, an interactive interface that allows users to invent, make, and sell these innovations, and a network over which users may interact with one another to license, assign, infringe, and enforce patents. Initial data generated using The Patent Game suggest that a system combining patent and open source protection for inventions (that is, similar to modern patent systems) generates significantly lower rates of innovation (p<0.05), productivity (p<0.001), and societal utility (p<0.002) than does a commons system. These data also indicate that there is no statistical difference in innovation, productivity, or societal utility between a pure patent system and a system combining patent and open source protection.

2005 Moser, Petra, “How Do Patent Laws Influence Innovation? Evidence from Nineteenth-Century World’s Fairs” in American Economic Review, Vol 95, Issue 4. Abstract: Studies of innovation have focused on the effects of patent laws on the number of innovations, but have ignored effects on the direction of technological change. This paper introduces a new dataset of close to fifteen thousand innovations at the Crystal Palace World’s Fair in 1851 and at the Centennial Exhibition in 1876 to examine the effects of patent laws on the direction of innovation. The paper tests the following argument: if innovative activity is motivated by expected profits, and if the effectiveness of patent protection varies across industries, then innovation in countries without patent laws should focus on industries where alternative mechanisms to protect intellectual property are effective. Analyses of exhibition data for 12 countries in 1851 and 10 countries in 1876 indicate that inventors in countries without patent laws focused on a small set of industries where patents were less important, while innovation in countries with patent laws appears to be much more diversified. These findings suggest that patents help to determine the direction of technical change and that the adoption of patent laws in countries without such laws may alter existing patterns of comparative advantage across countries

Anthony Arundela, * and Isabelle Kablab “What percentage of innovations are patented? empirical estimates for European firms” in Research Policy, Volume 27, Issue 2, June 1998, Pages 127-141. Abstract: A 1993 survey on the innovative activities of Europe’s largest industrial firms obtained useable results on patenting activities for 604 respondents. The data are used to calculate the sales-weighted propensity rates for 19 industries. The propensity rates equal the percentage of innovations for which a patent application is made. The propensity rates for product innovations average 35.9%, varying between 8.1% in textiles and 79.2% in pharmaceuticals. The average for process innovations is 24.8%, varying from 8.1% in textiles to 46.8% for precision instruments. Only four sectors have patent propensity rates, for both product and process innovations combined, that exceed 50%: pharmaceuticals, chemicals, machinery, and precision instruments. Regression results that control for the effect of industry sector show that patent propensity rates increase with firm size and are higher among firms that find patents to be an important method for preventing competitors from copying both product and process innovations. The effect of secrecy is not so straightforward. Firms that find secrecy to be an important protection method for product innovations are less likely to patent, as expected, but secrecy has little effect on the propensity to patent process innovations. The R&D intensity of the firm has no effect on patent propensity rates for both product and process innovations. The sector of activity has a strong influence on product patent propensities but very little effect on process patent propensities, after controlling for the effect of other factors.

Helios Herrera & Enrique Schroth, 2003.
“Profitable Innovation Without Patent Protection: The Case of Derivatives,” Working Papers 0302, Centro de Investigacion Economica, ITAM. Abstract: Investment banks develop their own innovative derivatives to underwrite corporate issues but they cannot preclude other banks from imitating them. However, during the process of underwriting an innovator can learn more than its imitators about the potential clients. Moving first puts him ahead in the learning process. Thus, he develops an information advantage and he can capture rents in equilibrium despite being imitated. In this context, innovation can arise without patent protection. Consistently with this hypothesis, case studies of recent innovations in derivatives reveal that innovators keep private some details of their deals to preserve the asymmetry of information.

2008 Boldrin, M and Levine, D, Against Intellectual Property, Cambridge University Press. Reviews: ‘One should bear a heavy burden of proof to enjoy a monopoly. Boldrin and Levine have dramatically increased that burden for those who enjoy intellectual monopoly. All economists, lawyers, judges, and policymakers should read this book.’ W. A. Brock, University of Wisconsin, Madison ‘Boldrin and Levine, highly respected economic theorists, have produced a lively and readable book for the intelligent layman. In it, they challenge conventional wisdom about patents and argue that we would be better off without them. The book will open a fresh debate on the policy on intellectual property protection.’ Boyan Jovanovic, New York University ‘There is a growing and important skepticism about the fundamental rules we have used to regulate access to information and innovation. This beautifully written and compelling argument takes the lead in that skeptical charge.’ Lawrence Lessig, Stanford Law School ‘For centuries, intellectual property rights have been viewed as essential to innovation. Now Boldrin and Levine, two top-flight economists, propose that the entire IPR system be scrapped. Their arguments will generate controversy but deserve serious examination.’ Eric Maskin, Nobel Laureate, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton ‘This is an important and needed book. The case made by Boldrin and Levine against giving excessive monopoly rights to intellectual property is a convincing one. Monopoly in intellectual property impedes the development of useful knowledge. I think they make the case that granting these monopoly rights slows innovation.’ Edward C. Prescott, Nobel Laureate, University of Minnesota ‘Boldrin and Levine present a powerful argument that intellectual property rights as they have evolved are detrimental to efficient economic organization.’ Douglass C. North, Nobel Laureate, Washington University in St. Louis ‘How have we come to view ideas as if they have some physical existence that we can lock up behind a set of property rights laws akin to, but remarkably different from, those we use to protect our physical property? This is the central question in Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David Levine. The answer they come to is startling: except in a few rare cases, intellectual property protection does more economic harm than good and ought to be eliminated. The technology of digital computers and the Internet, as Boldrin and Levine show again and again, has exposed long-standing moral shortcomings of current intellectual property laws in a particularly stark way.’ Stephen Spear, Carnegie Mellon University

Fiona Murray, Scott Stern, “Do Formal Intellectual Property Rights Hinder the Free Flow of Scientific Knowledge? An Empirical Test of the Anti-Commons Hypothesis”, NBER Working Paper No. 11465*Issued in July 2005 NBER Program(s): IO PR. Abstract: While the potential for intellectual property rights to inhibit the diffusion of scientific knowledge is at the heart of several contemporary policy debates, evidence for the “anti-commons effect” has been anecdotal. A central issue in this debate is how intellectual property rights over a given piece of knowledge affects the propensity of future researchers to build upon that knowledge in their own scientific research activities. This article frames this debate around the concept of dual knowledge, in which a single discovery may contribute to both scientific research and useful commercial applications. A key implication of dual knowledge is that it may be simultaneously instantiated as a scientific research article and as a patent. Such patent-paper pairs are at the heart of our empirical strategy. We exploit the fact that patents are granted with a substantial lag, often many years after the knowledge is initially disclosed through paper publication. The knowledge associated with a patent paper pair therefore diffuses within two distinct intellectual property environments – one associated with the pre-grant period and another after formal IP rights are granted. Relative to the expected citation pattern for publications with a given quality level, anticommons theory predicts that the citation rate to a scientific publication should fall after formal IP rights associated with that publication are granted. Employing a differences-indifferences estimator for 169 patent-paper pairs (and including a control group of publications from the same journal for which no patent is granted), we find evidence for a modest anti-commons effect (the citation rate after the patent grant declines by between 9 and 17%). This decline becomes more pronounced with the number of years elapsed since the date of the patent grant, and is particularly salient for articles authored by researchers with public sector affiliations.

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I’ll try again… my comments weren’t making it through, for some reason. I had attempted to post a list of references with abstracts, which might have been too long. Instead, here’s a set without abstracts. These are the files I offered to forward to Gene and anyone else who wanted to read up on the sources I had prepared for our debate, that Gene alleges I am somehow a “fraud” for not disclosing, though I have offered the full articles repeatedly… As for commenting a site regarding anarchism, Gene did the same. Anyway, for anyone who wants to read more, please see below:

for another take on the problem with IP, see my Cardozo talk slides here:
http://davidkoepsell.com/TheEthicalC...instIP.ppt.htm

as well, here’s a partial list of references on our side of the debate:

2006 Pollock, Rufus “Innovation and Imitation with and without Intellectual Property Rights, MPRA Paper No. 5025 http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/5025

Debrah Meloso, Peter Bossaerts, Jernej Copic, “Promoting Intellectual Discovery: Patents versus markets” Science, Vol. 323. no. 5919, pp. 1335 – 1339, DOI: 10.1126/science.1158624.

Torrance, Andrew W. and Tomlinson, Bill, Patents and the Regress of Useful Arts (May, 28 2009). Columbia Science and Technology Law Review, Vol. 10, 2009. Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1411328.

2005 Moser, Petra, “How Do Patent Laws Influence Innovation? Evidence from Nineteenth-Century World’s Fairs” in American Economic Review, Vol 95, Issue 4.

Anthony Arundela, * and Isabelle Kablab “What percentage of innovations are patented? empirical estimates for European firms” in Research Policy, Volume 27, Issue 2, June 1998, Pages 127-141.

Helios Herrera & Enrique Schroth, 2003.
“Profitable Innovation Without Patent Protection: The Case of Derivatives,” Working Papers 0302, Centro de Investigacion Economica, ITAM.

2008 Boldrin, M and Levine, D, Against Intellectual Property, Cambridge University Press.

Fiona Murray, Scott Stern, “Do Formal Intellectual Property Rights Hinder the Free Flow of Scientific Knowledge? An Empirical Test of the Anti-Commons Hypothesis”, NBER Working Paper No. 11465*Issued in July 2005 NBER Program(s): IO

Thomas David and André Mach, Institutions and Economic Growth: The Successful Experience of Switzerland (1870-1950)
UNU-WIDER
Series:
WIDER Research Paper
Volume:
2006/101
Title:
Institutions and Economic Growth: The Successful Experience of Switzerland (1870-1950)

Update: File-sharing has weakened copyright—and helped society Ars technica (21 June 2010) (“they round up a host of studies from the past few years suggesting that, on average, one-fifth of declining music sales might be chalked up to piracy. (The rise of new entertainment options like video game has also hurt the business, and consumers finally stopped “re-buying” old albums on CD by the mid-2000s.) … But looking at such declines provides only a narrow view. Looked at more broadly, the music industry “has grown considerably” in the last few years. When concert revenue is added to recorded music revenue, the authors note that the overall industry grew more than 5 percent between 1997 and 2007. That’s in large part because consumers’ willingness to pay for “complements” like concerts and merchandise goes up as the price of music and movies falls, and because consumers are exposed to many more artists when prices are low or nonexistent. Even if the music industry was shrinking, though, the authors point out that creativity has not declined—which suggests that weaker copyright can still promote the “Progress” sought by the Founders.”)

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Study About IP On The Human Genome Shows That Patents Hindered Innovation; “Intellectual Property Rights and Innovation: Evidence from the Human Genome,” by Heidi Williams of Harvard University – Department of Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), also discussed in David Koepsell, Open Science and Economics.
British Library Worries That Copyright May Be Hindering Research

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No Copyright Law: The Real Reason for Germany’s Industrial Expansion?, By Frank Thadeusz (Jeff Tucker, Germany and Its Industrial Rise: Due to No Copyright); German version: Explosion of knowledge, By Frank Thadeusz, der Spiegel (German) (new study by economic historian Eckhard Hoffner shows that Germany’s lack of copyright in the 19th century led to an unprecedented explosion of publishing, knowledge, etc., unlike in neighboring countries England and France where copyright law enriched publishers but stultified the spread of knowledge and limited publishing to a mass audience. According to Robert Groezinger, “This article in Der Spiegel is all about how the absence of copyright in Germany led to an “explosion of knowledge” in the 19th century. The reason there was no copyright law was that there was no central government until 1871. This contrasts with the UK, where there had been copyright since 1710, and the number of publications was lower by a factor of 10 compared to Germany. Also, the number of copies printed was much, much lower in the UK (hundreds as compared to ten thousand or so). The article claims that this is the main reason that Germany’s production and industry had caught up with everyone else by 1900.”

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[I]n the current state of knowledge, economists know almost nothing about the effect on social welfare of the patent system or of other systems of intellectual property.

–George Priest, “What Economists Can Tell Lawyers About Intellectual Property,” 8 Res. L. & Econ. 19 (1986).
So, as I mentioned, there are numerous studies that indicate that IP law either makes no difference, or is actually detrimental to innovation, competition, and societal wealth.
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I'll be honest here- I didn't read most of that.

This forum is for debate and discussion, not copy-n-paste. That's what the "Random Pictures" thread is for.

I don't mind citing sources to support your argument, but the key point is your argument. Copying someone else's article and submitting it as your own position didn't fly in elementary school, and it doesn't work here, either. If you can't be bothered to create an original thought, then I really can't be bothered to sift through a load of words, trying to figure out which ones in particular you believe support your position.

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You're the one arguing on the basis of pragmatism; so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that IP law is pragmatically best for society, and that can't be done with make-believe stories about Intel and AMD.

Still looking forward to reading the abstracts (heck, even reading the titles) of studies demonstrating how IP protection benefits society.
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I found some other dude that thinks there are some serious, fundamental problems with patent law. What an ultramaroon!

http://blogmaverick.com/2011/08/06/i...e-patent-laws/

Edit: That dummy had more to say! He actually supports abolishing some patent laws entirely! What an extremist.

http://blogmaverick.com/2011/08/07/m...on-patent-law/

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