Only caring about white people votes.

That has nothing to do with racism. try again, asshole.

white house is wasis too btw`

Sounds like a Whole lot of Ignorance right there. So You’re paying capital gains tax on equipment that you should be expensing and depreciating? That is pretty stupid.

Here is a partial list of the things Obama has done and signed into law for small business.

1. A New Small Business Health Care Tax Credit
2. A New Tax Credit for Hiring Unemployed Workers
3. Bonus Depreciation Tax Incentives to Support New Investment
4. 75% Exclusion of Small Business Capital Gains
5. Expansion of Limits on Small Business Expensing
6. Five-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses
7. Reduction of the Built-In Gains Holding Period for Small Businesses
from 10 to 7 Years to Allow Small Business Greater Flexibility in Their
Investments
8. Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief to Allow
Small Businesses to Keep Needed Cash on Hand

And a list of things advicated by Obama that are currently being blocked in congress by Republicans.

1. Zero Capital Gains Taxes on Key Investments in Small Businesses:
2. The Highest Small Business Expensing Limit Ever– Up to $500,000
3. An Extension of 50% Bonus Depreciation
4. A New Deduction for Health Care Expenses for the Self-Employed
5. ax Relief and Simplification for Cell Phone Deductions
6. An Increase in The Deduction for Entrepreneurs’ Start-Up Expenses
7. A Five-Year Carryback Of General Business Credits
8. Limitations on Penalties for Errors in Tax Reporting That
Disproportionately Affect Small Business

I also think the cuts to payroll tax is a significant benifit in the cost of hiring employees.

Can you name one spacific example how something pushed through and passed by obama is specifically hurting your business?

You left out the credit for hiring veterans.

The dude is fuckin Afrikan, man!

Irrational paranoia

What the hell does that have to do with capital gains?
You can almost automatically count certain votes for a Democratic presidential candidate based on race. Has nothing to do with Obama being black.

Its hard to explain. We are considering upgrading everything we have in the fleet and I know talk of capital gains increase has been an issue.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with any of you, cause most of you have too much time in front of the computer to waste on it. I don't.

We've been in business for a long time. Some of you older bros may remember my ramblings from a couple years ago about almost closing down. Still in that gray area and I'm learning it all as I go along.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "current administration" and "killing us" as a blanket statement cause a few of you took that to heart. All I know is, it seems like A LOT of obstacles to juggle though just to keep the doors open and trucks on the road as the years go on.

Who knows, maybe I'M being misinformed.

ding ding ding we have a winner.

Fact is Obama lowered taxes on capital gains for small businesses and both for Selling and if replacing operating business capital investments.

Now if you’re are a vulture capitalist say like Mitt Romney for instance where you want to buy up a company that somebody else built with their own blood sweat and tears run up the company credit card sell off the assets defund the employee retirement while transferring all the wealth to yourself in the form of qualified carry over interest capital gains while more often than not the company goes bankrupt well your taxes may go up as they very well should. Fucking poster child for how our economy is being screwed.

Stop listening to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Glen Beck and you might become more informed.

Look dude. You're ignorant. That's ok, but blaming randomly blaming shit for business problems makes you sound dumb. You're obviously not the company's accountant and apparently know little about business bookkeeping and tax strategy.

Unless you have discovered the goose that lays the golden egg, and yes, they do indeed exist, there are always obstacles for businesses large and small.

Again, most business problems and struggles have very little to do with national policy or who is in office. All businesses struggle with rudimentary issues like product, competition, personnel, marketing, customer management, and sales.

"you didn't build that"

:giggle:

I don't think taxation for the purpose of having an efficient government is the problem. The way in which this animosity towards those that have from those that don't is unhealthy. I bet there are business men out there that have profited in an illegal manner, but to say that EVERYONE that has become wealthy did it by "slaving" people is moronic at best.

With that said, Obama has ran a campaign based on attacking successful individuals while asserting that despite being scumbags people deserve a "fair chance"... whatever the frak that means. Those that are willing to make sacrifices and work hard find a way to move up. However, to believe that one deserves the world served on silver platter with no merit is dangerous mentality that I see spreading very fast.

So any bets on how quickly we make it to $16 trillion. I say 2015 :wavey:

That is Military Time Tonight? Very close.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And Rmoney's true colors start to show again.

Mitt Romney's Campaign Cancels Staffers Credit Cards In The Middle Of The Night - Forbes

Man I’m thankful the nation dodged sure catastrophe by not electing that douchebag.

What a crock. I'm sure Romney's first thought after delivering the concession speech was, "Ooh, I better hurry up and cancel all those aides' credit cards -- that'll stick it to 'em."

Give me a break.

What'd I miss? We're already (and have been) in "shear catastrophe"

Is first thought was I didn't write a concession speech, I payed good money to win and Fox told me I was going to. Then it was I better stop payment on all uncashed checks and cut everyone off.

Obama might suck but that fuck tard was far worse. Still haven't seen is budget plan.

STFU, Toby.

Lol @ Toby.

Vash - [Full disclosure, I voted for Romney/Ryan] It is possible that there are legitimate issues and obstacles presented by the current administration as it relates to certain businesses, but if you can't name any specifically, there probably aren't any for you and your business.

That's not to say local politicians haven't done something to make business more difficult or that the current administration couldn't have done a better job assisting with the broader economy. A stronger broad economy would likely mean more demand for most everyone's product.

But, the Obama administration's "anti-business" attitude has mostly been talk up to this point (unless you are in the coal industry).

You guys are right , Romney would have ruined this country. And Im a racist cuz im white and I voted for Romney. I own a very small business so I guess now Im better off that Barack put all those tax breaks through that I will never use. Maybe I need to actually watch Fox news so I can be ignorant with reason as opposed to being ignorant because I see the world around me in real life. I need to see the world as the theoretical "better" world you say I live in. Thanks, I feel much better now about the "fake" world I was living in before. I will now just walk around with my eyes closed as I have been enlightened and dont need my vision anymore.

Without the sarcasm, do you guys honestly think Romney could do that much better/worse than Obama? Not all tax breaks are going to work for everyone and trying to take advantage of all those tax breaks could just as easily bankrupt you if your company cant sustain the added liability. My company cant grow, so I cant use them. I AM NOT blaming the president for my lack of business growth. I actually think things will get better for me but that is also not due to any policy of the president. So 95% of black people voted for Obama and they arent racist? I missed what Fox news had to say about that as I dont watch TV media.

My problem with politics is that everything is a popularity contest and no one is better than the Democrats at it. They speak of wanting to do everything that is popular regardless of what it might mean to the whole of the country. Healthcare? I just spent 5 hours in an emergency room with my wife as she nearly passed out with flu like symptoms. It took someone with authority (a minor care nurse) to finally come over and say "you have the flu and you cant do anything but wait it out, take this for nausea and then start taking tylenol and motrin". FIVE HOURS?!?!?! What in Obamacare is going to relieve this situation. Nothing!!!! The answer is total reform, not free medicine but you think Obama or any other candidate has the power to fix it. Absolutely not.

I dont mind paying taxes. I mind my taxes being used for bigger government and social programs that I cant benefit from. It is my money so I should benefit from it. If all the freeloaders out there want to have social programs benefitting them, let them start paying taxes. I plan to be rich one day and I dont think having to give an even higher percentage of my pay to someone who doesnt have the common sense to use a condom or hold down a job is putting my tax money to good use. Its a lack of respect that has gotten us to where we are. Self respect and respect for others, accountabilty and responsiblity are all things lost on this country right now. Its always someone elses job to fix whats wrong or give me what I didnt earn. Its a freaking high school popularity contest whats going on in this country. And we all remember high school politics and I dont mean the actual student president crap.

I posted my reply to the usgp thread here like a noob.

First of all, it was under 90%. Which is significant because 84% of black people voted for Clinton. So no, they aren't racist.

Well, when people actually have health insurance, they won't have to go to the ER because they actually have insurance. Therefore the ER will be less crowded. That's how Obamacare is going to relieve the situation. Do you even know anything about Obamacare?

wat.

Are you serious? Just so you know, they aren't paying taxes because they aren't making any money. If they could pay taxes, then they wouldn't need social programs.

You are serious? Freeloaders dont pay taxes because they dont make any money? Get out town! What a shocking revelation! THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

You are right, black folks arent racist for voting for a black (actually mulatto) president but white folks are racist if they vote for a white candidate! Give me a break dude. Everything is about race in this country when it comes to white folks not voting for a black president.

And for the ER thing, there was no need to have my wife go there in the first place. The nurse at the clinic recommended it as she looked so sick. The 5 hour wait is what is not necessary and simply induced by the hospital. Hey, they got $300 from me on the spot.

So they should go to the magical money tree and harvest some money?

Oh, no that's right, you want them to die on the streets.

For all the talk of "not all rich people are evil, its a few who make the rest of us look bad" I find it hilarious that the conservatives on here are ready to throw the "freeloaders" under the bus. If you want to go ahead and provide a statistic about how many "freeloaders" there actually are (as opposed to people who really need help) I would love to see it. The highest I have seen is 2% of welfare recipients committing fraud. Everyone knows someone who is on welfare and doesn't want to find a job because of welfare. Give me some ACTUAL numbers. I am willing to be convinced. But I am not willing to stop benefits to 98% to keep 2% from "freeloading" because that is retarded.

its funny cause it's true.

I love it how everything is about numbers. You find absolute truth in numbers dont you. Here is something I cant give you in a number: how many people I have come across that have spouted off, "why should I get a job, it doesnt pay me better than the gov't for doing nothing". Im sorry I cant get you a number on that. Simple truth, people are taking advantage of this situation we are in right now and they see no reason why they should have to do anything to help themselves when they have people like you who are more than willing to help them. Open your eyes. Im not saying to disregard everyone. This country has always been socialist, just with lower taxes and less people draining on the system. We cant afford to keep maintaining everyone who is not going to be responsible for themselves or going to want to help their fellow citizen.

Edit: I just thought about your statistic of 2% committing fraud. Would those be the 2% that admitted to committing fraud or that got caught or the actual number because the all-knowing came up with the data. Go ahead and ask me if Ive ever cheated on a test before. I might give you an honest answer but you wont know if its true. I have never been caught cheating on a test so maybe I havent. You dont know do you?

To be fair you will never get a good statistic on the "freeloaders" just like you can't get and accurate statistic on tax fraud because you don't know who is a "freeloader" unless you catch them and they are kicked off the system. I am not claiming that it is a high percentage but I am saying that I feel the 2% figure is not accurate because it is either only the people they catch or a completely speculative figure.

EDIT: I am also a much bigger advocate of charities and other programs to help those in need as they are much more efficient than any govt. funded programs. As has been stated before republican states are far more charitable then liberal states. This includes the southern states where many of the conservatives are not wealthy and live outside of the metropolitan areas. We don't want to let people die in the streets, but we don't think it is the govt's job to take care of the problem. I would much rather donate my own time and money directly to my community than give it to the govt. so 40 cents of every dollar can actually make it to helping those who need it.

Yes. Numbers have no bias.

Sounds good. I will stop grandstanding about the 1% destroying our country by not paying their fair share when you guys stop grandstanding about the freeloaders that are taking your money! Because I know bbundy won't :P

Steve, its not that I dont want to help people help themselves and trust me, I am not above anyone else economically to think that I one day wont need the gov't help. The thing is that I dont think its fair to anyone to be forced to pay for other people and not be able to get anything in return for themselves. Mind you I said "forced" to pay. If you want to be charitable, you shouldnt expect anything in return but taxes are not choices. I think everyone should pay taxes, poor or rich. If the gov't is giving you money you are getting income and you should pay taxes for it. This does not apply to retirees, they have payed enough.

But yes, lets agree to disagree.

Another one that cannot seem to form rational thought doesn’t understand numbers and fails to understand the economics of parasitism. A successful parasite is one that is not recognized by its host, one that can make its host work for it without appearing to be a burden such as the oligarchs in a capitalist society. Mitt Romney’s personal past business experience would make him the poster child for the successful parasites that are destroying the American way of life and the overall economy. His policies seem to want to make it easier for the real parasites to suck out all the proceeds of productivity. It will not help the honest businessmen or working Americans this biasing all the advantage more towards the utility of big money it would likely bring us to the next great depression just as it did in the past if you study the history of just 100 years ago.

Ironically, social security income for the retired is taxable if it is over a certain amount which is not very much.

But you are getting something in return. As a business owner, you can have healthy employees who are clean, well fed, can get to work, etc. They are also purchasing things, helping the economy. You aren't directly benefiting in that the govt isn't writing you a check, but that doesn't mean you don't benefit.


I would LOVE it if charities could cover what the government does now. That would be GREAT! One problem. We tried that. For instance, the poverty rate among the elderly was something crazy like 60% before the Social Security Act passed. We started these welfare systems in response to people suffering. If private charities were a real solution, then we wouldn't have even NEEDED welfare in this country.

If someone has some evidence that we wouldn't return to the pre-depression poverty numbers I would be interested to hear it.

That we can agree on.

You're delusional: the african-american coommunity has historical voted democrat since Roosevelt.

FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party

It's true that blacks as a percentage of the population utilize welfare at a much higher rate. It's also true that the black community has not progressed much over the past 3 decades (all sorts of rates such as births out of wedlock have gone up). This said, I don't understand how the white middle class cannot accept that it's an issue of education and poverty versus race.

Political preference is far more nuanced then a group simply 'seeking handouts' (unless we're talking pro-life and union voters).

You dont understand the race thing I am referring to. White folks are being accused of being racist if they vote for a white person. This is the race issue I am referring to. White people cant vote without them being called racist. Period. You have gone out of your way to prove black folks vote democrat but have said nothing about white folks and their voting habits.

And I never mentioned anything about social programs benefiting only blacks. You brought that up on your own. I have seen too many people of any color take advantage of the "economy".

Bob, if the parasites you claim are so hidden, how come you know them so well? How come every poor person accuses them of their own problems?

Retirees dont get taxed for income unless its more than what they are allowed to make but then they arent retired now are they? And social security isnt exactly all social. You pay in and your employer pays in and supposedly that money grows and yadayada. So maybe an inverse system for people who are down on their luck. We pay you now and you pay us back?

I love Obama's foreign policy.....

Iran fighter jets fired at an unarmed US drone on Nov 2nd. This, of course, was not made public until Nov 8th. Obama administration response was to "Issue a stern complaint via diplomatic channels." That is a direct quote. I am not saying to start a war but his lax policies in the middle east are starting to make this country look weak and our enemies are gorwing emboldened.

Well, I'd rather have 'soft' policy then ignite a conflict which includes Russia and China.

I'd argue that two failed wars with 3rd world countries makes us look weaker, - both politically and financially.


-Zach

I am not sure you understand how either of these systems work. I believe if you make over 33k from social security then you are taxed on your social security benefits beyond 33k even if you have no other income so, yes, you are retired. Most elderly are also paying taxes on the withdraws from their retirement funds. Are you suggesting that because you have income coming in that you are not retired?

If you draw from social security programs like disability when you are younger and then start working again your SS benefits for retirement are lessened in proportion to what you withdrew from disability unless you pay it off. This is how it was explained to my ex-gf who was applying for disability due to losing most of the function in her right leg due to a medical condition. Of course if you never come off of social security you will never pay the system back.

Because there is nothing in between all out war and a "stern complaint"....

Uh...


What about drones?

Also it's funny that the politics section is maybe MORE active after the election than it was before.

Are you talking about the Obama administration's increased use of drone attacks in the middle east? This is something he does that I agree with. However, I am not sure how drones apply as a response to this particular situation unless you are implying that we should initiate another drone strike. I probably would not suggest that either as I could not even begin to tell you what an appropriate target would be or if there is even an appropriate target.

All I am saying is that when a country fires at one of our aircraft that is unarmed and our direct response is a "stern complaint" something is not right. Especially when this is coming from a country that is already not cooperating with international coalitions like the UN in the regulation of their nuclear program which is more than likely developing a nuclear weapon. To make it even better, this country is likely to use this weapon threaten Isreal, our only true ally in the region.

If you and I were enemies and I shot a gun at you and missed while you were walking by my house would you just give me a "stern complaint"? If you would, I would probably shoot at you again.

"The incident, reported first by CNN, raised fresh concerns within the Obama administration about Iranian military aggression in crucial Gulf oil shipping lanes."

In for gas hike.

-Zach

So what? Go to war with a mostly peaceful country that is run by a bunch of crazy assholes who were put into power when we fucked things up in the 70s? Surely another Iraq will help everything!

I am at a point where I think the House should give Obama anything he asks for in taxes and revenue changes; increase the debt ceiling. When it all goes to shit, the Republicans will have clean hands. All they can do is obstruct his plans and take the blame for his failures at this point.

When it all goes to shit, fiscal conservatives can take over and start righting the ship of state without any interference from the left. If it doesn't go to shit, what have we lost?

Yes, because civilians are told classified information and what is really going on. Lets not forget that a spy plane over cuba was shot up taking photo's up nukes and JFK lied about it to keep the military from starting WW3.

we get our drones shot at and shot down weekly. This is not a big deal, the cover up of the Benghazi terrorist attack is.

I hope by 'fiscal conservative' you are not suggesting the GOP. If Obama is Karl Marx, then every contemporary republican candidate has been, at the very least, a socialist pig.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1352482850

-Zach

You're officially enlisted, huh?

-Zach

what?

Iran shooting at and missing our drones is not newsworthy. I swear I've read at least 3-4 stories about Drones being shot down over the summer.

Seriously. What do you think the Air Force would do if it detected an Iranian drone flying over the US? Politely ask them to stop?

Lets not forget who is actually violating airspace here.

israel downed an iranian drone not too long ago...


obama supporters would like to see iran destory isreal however.

We were not in their airspace and we have been flying the same route for months.

Maybe its just me but that sounds like military aggression.

EDIT: This also marks the first time Iranians have fired on a US drone.

How's life in those places?

Would it be accurate to say that we get the most for the relative taxes we do pay?

None of these people on welfare or public assistance is getting anything on a silver platter. If you think so then you should go join them. They are provided enough to survive. If they game the system by also working on the side, that is a failure in enforcement. Furthermore, the taxes expended on these programs are fractions of what is being spent on other foolish programs. Saying that the people on welfare are a drain on us is ludicrous.

Silver platter is a relative term, we have everything available to us here if you want it. Nothing is restricted and all the possible accommodations are made for you to get the things you want.

You pay for unemployment from your paycheck. It is called unemployment INSURANCE for a reason and it is very different than welfare or public assistance.

Those tax breaks are available to everyone. They aren't magically only available to the 1%. If you can take advantage of it then do it. Tax breaks are not the reason we have problems. Even when you do the math and tax the rich more it still wont fix the problems. But you know what our problems, if you can even call them that are bullshit compared to countries like Greece, Spain, Iceland and etc.


What makes you sad is that because you do not directly pay for any of the things that make the world go round you feel that someone is basically stealing from you.

Compare yourself to other countries where the income taxes are much higher than yours, how do you think those people feel? Even with their wonderful socialized healthcare the quality of the healthcare is terrible and as a result the mortality rates are higher. People who piss and moan about Obamacare A. Dont know anything about it B. have never experienced healthcare anywhere else. I say ship those fuckers to Canada(no ambulances) or the UK(3 month wait to see a physician, over crowded ER's) and have them experience first hand what could be.

Total reform wont fix your ER wait time and anyone who thinks Obamacare is the solution to such problems is a narrow minded fool and Obamacare is not free healthcare.

Do you have any clue how a hospital works? Patients get seen based on severity of their condition. If it was bad you should have called an ambulance, that gets you to the front of the line.

I'll tell you what will happen though. Obamacare will make healthcare affordable to more people. People wont run to the ER for every little thing, instead they will go see a primary physician. This will relieve congestion at the hospitals. With more primary care being the focus it will reduce the numbers of people that get sick enough to be hospitalized and this will further reduce the burden on them. It will also make hospitals work harder to provide better care as that will determine their reimbursement so people will get seen faster too.

Pro-Tip, buy yourself a god damn thermometer and a book and stop running to the hospital for every minor ache and pain. So unless you have projectile vomiting and splitting headache, call your primary physician.

Because you cant be rich while still paying those taxes right? Spoken like a true republican.

Sam, are you in the healthcare industry? That last part about it being affordable is so moronic I can only facepalm. I'll respond to the rest of your ramblings too when I'm bored and have time. But being in the healthcare industry for the majority of my career I think you are posting out of your ass.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes?