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Old 03-07-2017, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Pretty sure that was taken out of the "blame bush" handbook.
Except much of that was for policy he was part of. Not sure how DT authorizing a disastrous raid is Barry O's fault as he so conveniently tried to pass it off. Oh yeah, and blame the generals. Oy vey.
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Except much of that was for policy he was part of. Not sure how DT authorizing a disastrous raid is Barry O's fault as he so conveniently tried to pass it off. Oh yeah, and blame the generals. Oy vey.

I dont blame Trump for a raid that was more than likely planned months in advance and on the flip side, I wont give credit to Obama for killing bin laden. That credit whether successful or not, falls on the shoulders of those brave men and women whom carry out the missions.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
I dont blame Trump for a raid that was more than likely planned months in advance and on the flip side, I wont give credit to Obama for killing bin laden. That credit whether successful or not, falls on the shoulders of those brave men and women whom carry out the missions.
I also don't blame Trump for the raid. When I first heard about the raid, the news said that it had been in planning for months and Obama did not authorize it because it was not going to happen while he was president. He left it to Trump because he would be in office then. Then Trump came in and said yes to the raid, and initially it was not seen as a failure. After a while the narrative came out and changed that it was a failure and Obama would not authorize it and such.

Not saying what I have heard is right or wrong, as I am no longer cleared, nor do I know all the details. I am just going off what I saw in various main stream media sites.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
I dont blame Trump for a raid that was more than likely planned months in advance and on the flip side, I wont give credit to Obama for killing bin laden. That credit whether successful or not, falls on the shoulders of those brave men and women whom carry out the missions.
So if the mission is unsuccessful the 'credit' is with those brave men and women whom carry out the missions? No reflection good or bad, on who may have given the order to carry out the operation?

And I'm not referring to either of the missions you used as examples.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
Except much of that was for policy he was part of.
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So if the mission is unsuccessful the 'credit' is with those brave men and women whom carry out the missions? No reflection good or bad, on who may have given the order to carry out the operation?

And I'm not referring to either of the missions you used as examples.
Through my eyes, those men and women get credit regardless of the outcome. The day I get off my ***, enlist and get sent to the sandbox will be the day I determine any missions success/failure.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Through my eyes, those men and women get credit regardless of the outcome. The day I get off my ***, enlist and get sent to the sandbox will be the day I determine any missions success/failure.
I wasn't asking you if YOU were determining success/failure.... nevermind.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Pretty sure that was taken out of the "blame bush" handbook.
and here i thought it was simply taken out of wikileaks dump...
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and here i thought it was simply taken out of wikileaks dump...
Speaking of wikileaks......how about that dump this morning?
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Speaking of wikileaks......how about that dump this morning?
Braineack can't read them. It is against the law for him. I need to start going through the leaks as they are things I find very interesting. Does not surprise me that the CIA is trying to do what they are doing.
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Does not surprise me that the CIA is trying to do what they are doing.
Yes, Patriot Act opens up a whole new avenue. Screw the constitution.
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Surely you can do better...

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline

Both parties are quite guilty. Remember, it all started so "they" could protect us against the boogeyman...
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Originally Posted by bahurd
Surely you can do better...

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline

Both parties are quite guilty. Remember, it all started so "they" could protect us against the boogeyman...

Twas a joke, sir. You and I can finally agree on something....the patriot act.
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Twas a joke, sir. You and I can finally agree on something....the patriot act.
Actually I got your joke.
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Braineack can't read them. It is against the law for him.
Isn't it technically against the law for all of us? Brainey just happens to have an employer that gives a ****.

We went through the same thing a few years ago at Harris. IS and HR very strongly warned employees that visiting wikileaks exposed Harris' unclassified networks to classified information, and this was a violation of all sorts of Federal laws & contracts. It wouldn't have done any actual harm, it would just have (potentially) gotten the company into hot water with some of its clients like the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOD, DHS, etc.


Anyway, this thread has gone to **** again thanks to Brainey's spam-posting, so here's Canadian Member of Parliament Belinda Stronach:













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Bush and his backhand fake news compliment. so great.

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