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Braineack 07-18-2019 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Skamba (Post 1542508)
As an overall note, I think it's weird to attack politicians because they are criticizing the country. It's literally their job to represent the opinion of their constituents on how to improve the country, which is impossible to do if you're not allowed to criticize it.

As opposed to attacking politicians cause they are republican?

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I honestly see nothing wrong with his statement. Trump is criticized simply for having an R next to his name. I think Rand Paul, the alt-right-extremist summed it up pretty nicely:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...VvFyurgcMnkecU


Rand Paul: Ilhan Omar deserves 'rebuke over trying to say we have a rotten country’


Sen. Rand Paul has joined in the criticism of Somalia-born House Rep. Ilhan Omar, and said that she deserves to be rebuked for criticizing the United States, which took her in as a refugee in 1992.

Paul, of Kentucky, said that he is “dumbfounded” by the Minnesota congresswoman’s “angry story.”

Speaking back home to Wave 3 News, Paul said, “She has this bitterness and anger toward the country,” adding, “I think she does deserve a rebuke over trying to say we have a rotten country.”

In joining President Trump in criticizing the Mogadishu-born freshman lawmaker, Paul said “I’m sort of dumbfounded how unappreciative she is of our country.”

Paul, both an ally and sometime critic of Trump, added, “She says this is terrible, a place without justice and all this. She’s a congresswoman. She got here as a refugee 20 years ago. She’s elected to Congress. I can’t imagine a better country that elected her to congress and she badmouths our country.”

Trump stirred up controversy over the weekend when tweet-attacked Omar and three other new House Democrats.


Im sorry, but if everything is racist, nothing is.


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You guys ruined racism.



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DNMakinson 07-18-2019 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1542472)
I don't see how a bill which states that “all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.” is racist under any circumstances. It could only appear so through a very orange lens.


Also, no comment on the gift basket thing? I thought that was really clever.

1) Why in the world we need a bill that states that?
2) I gave a PosCaf for the basket evaluation.
3) As an aside, have Joe P and Scott S ever met in person?

DNM

olderguy 07-18-2019 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1542542)
3) As an aside, have Joe P and Scott S ever met in person?

DNM

I've heard that it is only one person with a split personality

DNMakinson 07-18-2019 01:29 PM

olderguy:

I like you.

Apparently you've been around a long time (Yeah, longer than Joe or Scott), but I've only seen you on line fairly recently.

Do you have a Miata, like Joe, or not, like Scott. Build thread?

On another subject, no Box Cutters on flights. Also, even though there was a lot of info on the interweb about relaxed knife rules, on the official TSA website, I see nothing about that, and they even have a separate line item in the FAQ section (IIRC) that says no to Swiss Army Knives.

DNM

Braineack 07-18-2019 01:35 PM

RACEBAIT ALL OF THE THINGS!!!!!


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Joe Perez 07-18-2019 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1542542)
1) Why in the world we need a bill that states that?
2) I gave a PosCaf for the basket evaluation.
3) As an aside, have Joe P and Scott S ever met in person?


#1 is an excellent question. And I'll note that it is relatively rare among legislation in the 21st century in that it affirms and protects a liberty of the people, rather than decreasing the liberty of the people.

That having been said, I can answer the "why" question by saying that it's for the same reason that we need the Bill of Rights. While this is clearly contrary to the intent of the founders, the reality of this situation is that we live in an age in which the absence of a law which secures a certain right for the people is often interpreted as either the absence of that right existing, or tacit permission for government / police / the courts to violate that right without consequence.

Or, put another way, why did we need a constitutional amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech and religion and the press and assembly? Well, because in a lot of countries, those things are routinely forbidden or curtailed. What do you think would happen if a Saudi newspaper columnist were to print an opinion piece which openly criticizes King Salman, claims that the Quoran is a collection of fairy tales, and advocates full equality for women and gays?


#2: Thank you.


#3: No, but I have seen his source code. (Braineack is a bot which runs on the MT server, which harvests memes from ult-right blogs and re-posts them here.)

Braineack 07-18-2019 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1542542)
3) As an aside, have Joe P and Scott S ever met in person?

we've met for lunch once in NYC. We both got a porter and a burger. It was snowing that morning; it was a good day.

Joe Perez 07-18-2019 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 1542544)
I've heard that it is only one person with a split personality

:bowrofl:

Braineack 07-18-2019 01:46 PM

i did like the baskets. but i prefer them full of deplorables...

sixshooter 07-18-2019 01:55 PM

I've never seen them in the same place together.

I'm imagining them as one person and Joe / Scott having a discussion with himself.

concealer404 07-18-2019 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 1542346)
Notice how there were no people named in this tweet, but the squad immediately took offense and called a press conference


So here's the thing.

Who would you think he was referring to, if you're going to make the case that mentally diseased liberals and SJWs are jumping to conclusions?

Are you suggesting that maybe he was referring to the 6 Democrat Congresswomen that actually came from other countries? Maybe he left out all the men because men don't come from broken countries? And naturally left out the Republicans that came from other countries because since they only come from great countries, the best countries. The people love those countries.

Joe Perez 07-18-2019 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1542556)
I've never seen them in the same place together.

I'm imagining them as one person and Joe / Scott having a discussion with himself.

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Braineack 07-18-2019 02:20 PM

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Skamba 07-18-2019 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1542561)
So here's the thing.

Who would you think he was referring to, if you're going to make the case that mentally diseased liberals and SJWs are jumping to conclusions?

Are you suggesting that maybe he was referring to the 6 Democrat Congresswomen that actually came from other countries? Maybe he left out all the men because men don't come from broken countries? And naturally left out the Republicans that came from other countries because since they only come from great countries, the best countries. The people love those countries.

Don't be sanctimonious. Not even Trump is denying it:



Braineack 07-18-2019 03:08 PM

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concealer404 07-18-2019 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Skamba (Post 1542565)


Fake news! No people named in those tweets!

Joe Perez 07-18-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1542553)
we've met for lunch once in NYC. We both got a porter and a burger. It was snowing that morning; it was a good day.

It was a good day. Good beer and good company.

good2go 07-18-2019 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1542542)
... have Joe P and Scott S ever met in person?


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1542553)
we've met for lunch once in NYC. We both got a porter and a burger. It was snowing that morning; it was a good day.


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1542604)
It was a good day. Good beer and good company.

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DNMakinson 07-18-2019 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1542552)
#1 is an excellent question. And I'll note that it is relatively rare among legislation in the 21st century in that it affirms and protects a liberty of the people, rather than decreasing the liberty of the people.

That having been said, I can answer the "why" question by saying that it's for the same reason that we need the Bill of Rights. While this is clearly contrary to the intent of the founders, the reality of this situation is that we live in an age in which the absence of a law which secures a certain right for the people is often interpreted as either the absence of that right existing, or tacit permission for government / police / the courts to violate that right without consequence.

Or, put another way, why did we need a constitutional amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech and religion and the press and assembly? Well, because in a lot of countries, those things are routinely forbidden or curtailed. What do you think would happen if a Saudi newspaper columnist were to print an opinion piece which openly criticizes King Salman, claims that the Quoran is a collection of fairy tales, and advocates full equality for women and gays?

My question might have been asked, “What might this add to the liberty already protected by the First Amendment?”

Joe Perez 07-19-2019 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1542616)
My question might have been asked, “What might this add to the liberty already protected by the First Amendment?”

Well, the rights under the 1st are not unlimited. There's the Fighting Words Doctrine (Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire), which holds that speech which tends to incite violence can be limited.

(Interestingly, I wonder how long it's going to take before a court finds that the President's tweets tend to incite violence, by provoking both Fa and Antifa factions into conflict?)

There's also Criminal defamation, which is a type of slander or libel.

And obscenity, that's not protected by the 1st. As an example, Ira Isaacs, the filmmaker behind the infamous "2 girls, 1 cup" video got four years in prison. Which is scary, as Justice Potter Stewart, in Jacobellis v. Ohio, could provide no definition for Obscenity other than “I know it when I see it.” (There was more than just the 2 Girls video- raunchier stuff. Must have been a hell of an interesting trial. )

Freedom of assembly is not unlimited. The State may enforce regulations of the time, place, and manner of expression. (Perry v. Perry, Frisby v. Schultz, etc.)

It took a court case (Texas v. Johnson) to clarify that burning the American flag was protected political speech, after Gregory Lee Johnson was sentenced to a year in prison for doing it.



So, yeah. There's lots of stuff that isn't protected by the 1st, and also lots of stuff that is, but for which people were arrested / punished until the courts or the legislature made it clear that that wasn't allowed.


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