Stein

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You can't smoke in any public or private businesses here in Nebraska. Even bars. It's friggen awesome! I don't smell like an ashtray when I just wanted to get a burger and a beer.

Stein

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I can guarantee that happened here as well. Costs went down for the restaurant/bar from cig burns and buying/installing/maintaining smoke eaters and more people came with families and ate. Sales were definitely up and costs were down.

jared8783

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you guys are the first i heard this from

when they first did this in my hometown all the bars still let u smoke
initially you only recieved a $100 a day fine. the bar owners paid it cuz when they didn't let people smoke they lost more than that

though with restaurants i can see business possibly going up

after the city realized that the fine had no effect on the bars they changed the law so that violators could loose their liquor license

Stein

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Business dropped for about three months when the ban hit town as people went to the small towns around so they could smoke. After a couple of months driving 15 miles each way to a hole-in-the-wall they got tired of it and they all came back. They just go outside, smoke and then come back in.

bigx5murf

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NYC is even trying to ban electronic cigarettes altogether

Stein

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Now, what would be the point in this?

rleete

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Control.

Vashthestampede

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I cant read all 5 pages, so I'm not sure where you guys are in this debate, but this is my as a 10 year smoker that quit over a year ago.

When on YOUR property, you should be able to smoke whatever the ---- you want. When on private/public property, you should at the very least be respectful. Don't stand right outside of a store (whether you work there or not) and smoke. I was definitely guilty of this many of times myself, mainly cause I didnt give a ----, but now that I'm on the other side of the fence I can see how dick it is.

I wont even get into the trouble I've caused with cigs. So I know what can come from them, but man did I enjoy me a smoke every hour or two.

Now that I quit, I ------- HATE all you smokers! Not really, but if your smoking on the sidewalk, front of a building, in my ----------ing way, I'm going to walk straight into you. Flick it out the window and hit my car and now I'm going to tailgate you until you change lanes. I'm a hypocrite too because I'd flick cigs AT tailgaters back when I smoked.

Really though, I don't care if you chose to smoke. Just be respectful about it. You should try and quit now though before they become 100% addictive with no chance of turning back.

jared8783

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well said vashthestampede

yeah i started this thread cuz i wanted the owners rights to be respected
so the debate is about is if the business/property owner should be allowed to choose or not

sometimes i go to the bar
and the music is loud
really loud, maybe too loud
loud enough where it is capable of damaging my ears

Braineack

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dB law. I'll draft it, we can be famous heros!


no noise ever past 90dB. We'll effectively destroy the world.

jared8783

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yeah u do have better grammar than me do

blaen99

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hOW DARE YOU OUTLAW PLANES!!!11111oneone1oneon111

We must ALL GATHER TO PROTEST BRAINY'S PROPOSED LEGISLATION! IT WILL BAN ALL PLANES EVERYWHERE IN THE WORRLDDDD!!

jared8783

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hey now don't give all the credit

i inspired him

Braineack

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Whoa now, we don't think about unintended consequences to our actions.

falcon

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You realize that a large majority of Europe, all of Canada and if I'm not mistaken portions of the US already have anti-smoking laws in public places? I for one love it. I can go to the bar now without having to breathe in smoke and go home smelling like a chimney because someone else wants to be able to inhale their disgusting habit near me.

Can't smoke within 6 meters of any doorway to any public building in Vancouver, or any parks/beaches. It's great.

/flame suit

falcon

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Why is it over hyped? Smoking gives you cancer. Fact. You're breathing in the same ---- they are, just without a filter. Therefore, second hand smoke (which is actually a bad name for it) with enough exposure can give you cancer. Ask people who worked in bars their whole life but never smoked a day in their life now have lung cancer, and yes there are multiple stories of this. The smoke that comes off the end of a cigarette is worse than the garbage they are inhaling.

No thanks, not in my lungs.

jared8783

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falcon
i do agree second hand smoke is dangerous
dont get me wrong i am not at all trying to say it is good in any way

that being said it should be obvious that smokers get more crap in their lungs than the non-smokers
yes smokers have a filter
but they are sucking in STRAIGHT SMOKE plus the exact same atmosphere as the non-smoker.

i just dont understand how people can possibly believe that second hand smoke is MORE dangerous than actually smoking
not saying that is what you said
but i got the impression that that is what you were implying

TNTUBA

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So Jared...in your mind where does the smokers "right to smoke" stop and the non smokers "right to not have to breath second hand smoke" start.

It's universally accepted that smoking causes cancer...and that with enough exposure to second hand smoke does too.

I don't want cancer.

If I REALLY like milk and you are lactose intolerant do I have the "right" to spit milk in your mouth?

If I REALLY like peanut butter and you have a nut allergy do I have the right to force peanut butter down your gullet?

If I LOVE shrimp but you have a shell fish allergy do I have the right to throw shrimp broth all over you dinner?

I see these things as one and the same. If I am seriously at risk for cancer. If it runs in my family on both maternal and paternal sides you don't have any more right to breathe cigarette smoke in my face than I do to do any of the actions above.

Your retort will then be I should just stay home and simply not go into resturants...and my retort to that is the smoker should stay home and smoke in the privacy of his or her home....and I don't care what he or she smokes there.

Interesting side point...How do you feel about smoking on Airplanes? An Aircraft is a privately owned piece of property. Do you think a ban on smoking in airplanes is as "unconstitutional" as the smoking ban in restaurants? Or do you just think non smokers should just not fly?

jared8783

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well in reality it starts with people that NEED to go to the post office
people that NEED to go to the bmv
people that NEED to go to the court house

but as soon as you enter a place that you do not need to go to
a place that is 100% optional for you to be
for example a bar or a restaurant
no one has the right to tell the business/property owner how to run his business

good idea
ill write up legislation making water gun fights at privately owned establishments illegal and just attach it to brain's db law



seriously tnt,
do you just not get it?
no one is trying to make anyone breathe in second hand smoke here
it is just that i and many others feel that at places that are privately owned and 100% optional for YOU (the non-smoker) to enter, that we simply have no right to tell the owner how to run his business on his property

jared8783

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OR you could support non-smoking establishments by visiting them
and I can support smoking establishments by visiting them

but apparently you just wanna shove your ideals down my throat by writing my liberties on MY property with legislation