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Old 05-18-2011, 04:27 PM   #1
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In Florida, the new state exit exams require "education workers" (the term teacher is no longer PC) are legally bound to teach indoctrinate these perspectives:
  • Analyze the major factors that drove United States imperialism.
  • Examine the controversy surrounding the proliferation of nuclear technology in the United States.
  • Assess key figures and organizations in shaping the Black Power Movement.
  • Analyze significant Supreme Court decisions relating to reproductive rights.
  • Describe efforts by the United States and other world powers to avoid future wars.
  • Examine the failure of the United States to support the League of Nations.
http://fcat.fldoe.org/eoc/pdf/HistoryAppendixB.pdf
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Those look more like points of discussion to me, it doesn't appear (on the surface anyway) to be the indoctrination of a viewpoint.
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Gotta love the great (dumb) state of Florida!
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So now we are angry that they are teaching kids things. I know you are a pretty right wing guy brain, but this stuff seems neutral to me.
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So now we are angry that they are teaching kids things. I know you are a pretty right wing guy brain, but this stuff seems neutral to me.
It isn't.
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We aren't imperial
we aren't proliferating nukes
no one should care about the black power movement
kids shouldn't learn about pro life or pro choice
we should be teaching kids why there have been wars, not why we should be giving obama the warlord a peace award.
**** the league of nations.
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Agreed, but we sure as hell act like it

We invented the ******* things

Black people do, white people should

Ignoring it won't make it go away. Do we leave it up to the parents? then they only hear one side of the argument and nothing changes.

They didn't mention Obama, you did. Not constantly fighting wars (you know like imperialist nations do) is not a bad thing

**** kittens too
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Agreed, but we sure as hell act like it
Empire means conquer and keep. While we still (unfortunately) own Puerto Rico, we do not own Japan, Germany, Italy, Austria, et al. We are trying like hell to responsibly leave Iraq and Crapstanastan without owning them. See British Empire.


We invented the ******* things
And have a mere fraction of the number we once had. See definition of proliferation.

Black people do, white people should
White Power = Subjugate or kill darkie; Black Power = Subjugate or kill whitey. What might be more important historically would be the pursuit by peaceful means of equal rights for all and not the subjugation of anyone on either side. It might also be good for the little students to learn about the Democrat Party in congress vehemently opposing equal rights for blacks, which was being pushed for by the Republican Party (they usually omit a crucial detail or two when discussing this).


Ignoring it won't make it go away. Do we leave it up to the parents? then they only hear one side of the argument and nothing changes.
I agree with you on this. Children belong to The State and not their respective parents. Breeders of children cannot be trusted to teach them values that are important to The State.

They didn't mention Obama, you did. Not constantly fighting wars (you know like imperialist nations do) is not a bad thing
I actually would like to have the children expound on the excruciating lengths we have gone to in preventing conflict in shitholes like the Middle East at great personal expense to millions of Americans. See Israeli peace process.


**** kittens too
That's just nasty.


The League of Nations was a clusterfuck because it was conceived in arrogance by a pointy-headed, I-know-better-than-you academic named Woodrow.

His intent was to develop a better way of coercing other countries to do America's (his) bidding. It didn't work out because leaders always act in their own best interest and not on the say-so of some other douchebag leader. It is like herding cats.
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**** the consitution too
fixed that for you.
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Sorry guys I thought we were talking about the real world. You only seem to be interested in taking everything to the absolute extreme. I am sure you are all right, you should pull your kids out of school, an educated populace is the last thing we need. Everyone knows the more education a person has the greater the chance they will be liberal, a democrat, and an athiest. I believe conservatives call them "acedemics" or the "intellectual elite".

You know what, having written that out I realize now that from your perspective educated people are the opposition. That being the case, I give up. I understand why you are upset.

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extremes? really?

public schools aren't educating children anymore that's the problem.


the dumber you are, the less you want, the easier to control.

the more educated a person is, the greater the chance he will make a determination that he/she is a libertarian, conservative, liberal, democrat, etc. without being told that he/she is a libertarian, conservative, liberal, democrat, etc.

Why do children have to examine the failure to support the LON? Why can't they examine the why the progressive movement failed in securing a spot in the LON? or simply, examine the LON after WWI?

Why was the nuclear technology "proliferation" contriversial?

Why do you need to learn key figures in a racist movement?

If you promote one view point of a topic, how is that teaching? that's propaganda...something Hilter loved.

These last two points are about teaching the kids to accept "world governance" as the only means to prevent war. The league of nations failed because Americans did not want an unelected international body ruling over their daily lives. They did not want internationalism or to be "controlled". We have a constitution, hence my comment.
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Nuclear proliferation was controversial because we had mutual assured destruction a few times over. It was saber rattling, and it was expensive. Hawks wanted more, doves wanted it to stop. Ultimately it was viewed as a waste of time and money by all involved and we are now scaling back. Nobody said it was happening anymore. But back in the 80's is was a much talked about topic, a controversy you might say. A bit like the current wars.

We need to teach the story of the black panthers for the same reason we need to teach the story of the KKK. As a people we learn from our mistakes, to forget them is to repeat them. A militant resistance movement at the tail end of a very long history in this country of slavery, then segregation, and (at the time of the B.P.) acceptable racism, is a subject that should be understood. To be honest, I am sick to death of hearing about it, but I am glad I know. And for the record they were a small group that did little more than yell alot and become the scapegoat for anarchists. The hells angels were a much more dangerous group. So probably not worth spending more than a day talking about them, but worth mentioning.

You guys are looking for a reason to feel attacked here. I will concede that the word "failed" gives the bullet point about the LON a negative or anti american feel. A better word would be "refusal". but in either case, kids should leave school knowing about it.
And every other point in that list. The rest of them don't seem to have a political lean to either side. This is stuff any voting American should know about. Thats what school is for. I wish they taught this stuff when I was in school. We learned up to 1920 or so and that was it, I would bet anyone on this forum over 30 would say the same thing. Its about damned time they taught stuff that defined the modern world and not the romans and the war of the roses.
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News flash: all learning is biased depending on what the teachers prefer to teach and what the learners desire to learn.

I know a lot about 'western' white males.

The problem with modern education is it's lack of practical skill teaching. Your quips are rather petty if you bother to zoom out.

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LOL @ his location.

I don't think Blaize has the cultural perspective to understand the degree of slant present in those guidelines. They clearly espouse a political ideology with which a large proportion of the US populace would disagree (and rightfully so).

...or he could just be a troll.
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We should teach kids the history of unions.
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We should teach kids the history of unions.
And the related history of the word "redneck" which originated from a violent political uprising.

I agree with Blaize about learning everything you can, and I think we all feel that learning as much as possible about everything is generally good. I think the rift develops when, much like in journalism, certain things are mentioned and certain things are left out. That is the single largest problem I have with the unionized labor force that educates government school children. The second would be with their overwhelming ineptitude...
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I am American, from New Orleans, moved to England a couple of years after Katrina. My fathers side of the family is from Florida so I have a deep understanding of the cultural nuances in that area. I am also aware of the assumption that schoolteachers are all hippy treehuggers (though the recent trendy conservative opinion that they are overpaid union members is frankly hilarious given what the status of teacher pay was 3.5 years ago when I left) And I wholeheartedly agree that practical skills should form a much larger part of US education curriculum, but thats not what we are debating here.

5 years ago I would have agreed with just about everything Brain says in the politics section. Living outside the US changes your perspective. Mind you its nowhere near as cosmopolitan as Kansas.
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We should teach kids the history of unions.
I got taught the history of unions, that's why I realize why there needed.

"kids shouldn't learn about pro life or pro choice
we should be teaching kids why there have been wars, not why we should be giving obama the warlord a peace award." -Braineack

About pro life/choice, an open discussion must take place in order to form a well rounded opinion. Listening to the viewpoints of others gives a person insight that he or she otherwise would not have.

We should learn more about wars, I had a Modern Terrorism class in HS where a girl thought WW2 was in the 70's. To be fair she was about 10 IQ points from being retarded, so it wasn't really the systems fault, she was just stupid.

About the "giving obama the warlord a peace award" part, Obama didn't ask for the goddamn Nobel Peace Prize, it was given to him. Also, how exactly is he a "warlord"?
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The League of Nations was a clusterfuck because it was conceived in arrogance by a pointy-headed, I-know-better-than-you academic named Woodrow.

His intent was to develop a better way of coercing other countries to do America's (his) bidding. It didn't work out because leaders always act in their own best interest and not on the say-so of some other douchebag leader. It is like herding cats.
Ever ponder that because of Wilson's arrogance, he was a force which led to Germany's meltdown, which then led to the rise of Hitler, which led to WWII, which led to the murder of millions of humans. So I hypothesize that Wilson caused the murder of millions of people.
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And just to be clear - this country is imperialistic in the views of the rest of the world. We may not have 'colonies' but the sun never sets on our military bases. Granted, there is a definitive difference between true 19th century imperialism and the military actions of the US, however, it's a bit grey.

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