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Old 08-17-2011, 10:00 AM   #1
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I love how the Texan candidates preach about their zero income tax...yeah...well not every state houses 95% of the US oil and gas industry. Obviously Texas politics can't be a typical model on how to run every state in the union.
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then why are all the businesses from CA leaving the state; lots for TX? They have no stakes in oil.

What about your state? you cant even afford to bury your dead.



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I love how the Texan candidates preach about their zero income tax...yeah...well not every state houses 95% of the US oil and gas industry. Obviously Texas politics can't be a typical model on how to run every state in the union.
We also make Toyota trucks...
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That's my point. The model doesn't work for CA or other states because neither their people nor the industry can be the crutch like oil and gas is to Texas. I do agree with you. Businesses move to TX because there's a lot to offer there. Not every state can match their policies and not go bankrupt.

I'm sure if Chicago was built on an oil and gas reserve we wouldn't have an income tax either. This city runs better with corruption than it ever will with the local/state gov.

Take Pat Quinn for example. Teachers unions across the sate sent letters to support him. What's the first thing he does once elected? Cuts the education budget and passes a bill to give state funding to illegals for college education. What a ******* moron. No wonder the state is broke.
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Not every state can match their policies and not go bankrupt.
yes they could. Revenue is rerely the problem, even in CA; the problem is almost always spending.

All you need to learn from this, is that states with lower corporate taxes attract businesses.


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When Luis Fortuno became governor in 2009, Puerto Rico's economy was a mess.

Or, as he told me:
"Not just a mess. We didn't have enough money to meet our first payroll."

But he avoided bankruptcy by getting an emergency loan, and immediately cutting Puerto Rico's government. For once, government shrank. Fortuno and the conservative legislature:

•Laid off 17,000 government workers
•Froze all salaries in government

•Cut government spending by 20%


The changes were more sweeping than any state's, so it's no surprise that the protests were also more ferocious. Demonstrators clashed with the police in front of the governor's mansion. Some carried signs calling him a fascist and a ****. One poll shows that if an election were held today, Fortuno would lose, 47 to 25%.

But the benefits of Fortuno's small government policies are only starting to be realized. It wasn't until this Janurary that Fortuno used the savings from his cuts to reduce corporate taxes from 35 to 25%. He also cut state income taxes in half (a change that will be phased in until 2014.). He privatized entire government agencies.
“Bring in the private sector,” Fortuno said. “They will do a better job. They will do it cheaper.”

600 construction permits were issued in last few months. Wal-Mart, CostCo, Coca-Cola, and pharmaceutical companies are moving to or expanding in Puerto Rico. Soon, they will provide thousands of new jobs.

Once people notice that, Fortuno may become popular again. Ronald Reagan, Gov. John Engler of Michigan, and Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico all suffered drops in public support when they pushed for small government - butwon re-election when people realized that the cuts helped the economy.
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Economist David Henderson, a Canadian who left Canada for the United States, remembers when The Wall Street Journal called the Canadian dollar “the peso of the north.” It was worth just 72 American cents. “Moody's put the Canadian federal debt on a credit watch,” Henderson said.

The problem, he added, was that Canada had a government safety net that was more like a hammock.

“When I was growing up in Canada, people who went on unemployment insurance were said to go in the ‘pogie.' You could work as little as eight weeks, taking the rest of the year off.”

So in 1995 Canadian leaders cut unemployment benefits and other programs. It happened quietly because it was a liberal government, and liberals didn't want to criticize their own. The result was that Canada's debt stopped increasing. As the government ran budget surpluses, the debt went down.

“The economy boomed,” Henderson said. “Think about what government does. Government wastes most of what it spends, and so just cutting government and having that money in the hands of people means it's going to be used more valuably.”

Canada fired government workers, but unemployment didn't increase. In fact, it fell from 12 percent to 6 percent. Canadian unemployment is still well below ours. And the Canadian dollar rose from just 72 American cents to $1.02 today.

Canada also raised some taxes. But the spending cuts were much bigger, six to one: agriculture was cut 22 percent; fisheries, 27 percent; natural resources, almost 50 percent. “We should learn from Canada's experience that you can cut government substantially,” Henderson said. “It is so wasteful. There's so much to cut, without causing much real pain — not causing pain, but helping your economy grow, helping people become better off.”

Henderson added, “We need to move more quickly than the Canadians did. Unfortunately, we're moving more slowly than the Canadians did.”

If we're moving at all.

While Canada thrives, we pour more money down the hole.
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I may begin to see the light. Ill research more on this. It is enlightening.

The wasteful spending couldn't be more true.
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Resist being a Keynesian! Money doesn't dissappear if not spent by gov't. The best thing for the economy is more income; government is capable of redistributing how income is spent, but it isn’t a vehicle for increasing income. Government doesn’t care if it’s “losing” money, as long as it’s spending something.
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I'm sorry but this woman is either an idiot or (most likely) pandering to idiots. As an environmental biologist this frustrates me to no end. She either has done no research at all or (again, most likely) is lying through her teeth.

EDIT: This is not a smear. This is legitamate political discussion. I agree that smearing does nothing but weaken your own cause because it is immature to make fun of physical or other flaws when real issues should be addressed.
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All it proves is that politicians don't know ****. as you can see, she knows as much as her wikipedia search provided.

I do know that george soros and al gore stand to make a **** ton of money on cap and trade, while businesses whom cannot afford carbon credits will be hurt, as well as the coal industry which provides 75% of our energy.
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I've always thought it was odd how cap and trade would affect the energy industry.

While oil and coal are not direct* competitors for most forms of energy, the advent of electric and hybrid vehicles will pit them against each other in the transportation sector.

Electric producers will suffer as they are immediately penalized under this system, while oil will remain (comparatively) cheap as a transportation fuel source since the penalty is transferred to the end user.


I may be wrong as I haven't done much research on this (despite my aversion to the policy)...so feel free to jump in.
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I was referring to Blumenauer
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how to be rich like Soros:

Invest heavily in competition (ie, GR$$N)
lobby gov't
pass laws that benefit you & remove competition
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profit.
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Yeah. Earths atmosphere used to be dominated by CO2. It was also uninhabitable by aerobes (almost all animals, including humans). Bachman tries to reason that because CO2 "only" makes up 3% of the atmosphere and that humans only contribute 3% of that, that it can't possibly be bad. Well, ricin is a natural product of the castor oil plant (Ricinus communis). It only takes 22 micrograms per kilogram of body weight to kill a human. That means that if you body has .000000022% ricin by mass, you'll die. "But that can't be righ can it? That seems like such a small number."

Edit: I also wanted to add that rate of change makes all the difference. If you notice, the graph on wikipedia was on the order of millions of years. If you zoomed WAY in to the last 150 years the slopes of CO2 increase would be WAY steeper than what you see when you are looking at a magnitude of millions of years.

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cool, so what did you prove by exposing her?
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Its not in this thread since it was moved but someone posted the pic of her eating and someone came to her defense. I just wanted to put some legitamate criticism out there instead of "ha ha she looks funny".
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it just proves that politicans arent subject matter experts. while it's great that she combats cap and tax, trying to say that co2 isn't a greenhouse gas - the product of combustion, is streching things.

this can be said for almost everyone is washington on all sides. just wait till the "super congress" starts hearing lobbyists.
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Yeah. Honestly all politicians (and for that matter all people) say things that you either don't agree with or don't believe. You just pick the person you disagree with the least and vote for them. I usually keep my political views to myself, but sometimes when science is involved I can't help myself.
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I love how the Texan candidates preach about their zero income tax...yeah...well not every state houses 95% of the US oil and gas industry. Obviously Texas politics can't be a typical model on how to run every state in the union.
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We also make Toyota trucks...
Texas also has a strong tech and telecom industry. Other states also have significant exposure to natural resources - some are more open to utilizing it than others.

Perry could emphasize that the primary source of success is not the existence of those resources, but the willingness to utilize those in a pro-growth manner. An example could be the Marcellus shale structure (PA vs NY). Tort reform, corporate tax structures (not just marginal rates), etc all play their part.

Another thing TX seems to have had going for it was lessons learned from the S&L crisis. In many of the states hit the hardest by the housing boom and bust, it was fueled by the leverage extended via speculative cash-out refinancing. To the best of my understanding, those loan programs were not available in Texas.

Thus, their housing market never over-heated and the drops in prices have been much less severe.
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Obviously Texas politics can't be a typical model on how to run every state in the union.

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Security tape allegedly shows a group of police officers beating two Chicago brothers Wednesday after apparently mistaking them for robbers while one was closing the store at which he worked.
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The recording is a live feed from the security camera at a local convenient store where my oldest brother is the manger of. My youngest brother, Adrian Ayala was waiting for Michael Ayala, in front on his bike. Michael slipped in to drop off a desposit slip from the bank and pick up his house keys, when chicago police officers mistakenly accused them of robbing the store. The two latino men attempted to explain over and over how they were not robbing the store and it was a huge misunderstanding. Micheal pleaded over and over how he was the manager of the store and offered to demonstrate the security code and his keys but the police officers showed no interest in hearing him out. They started manhandling the youngest brother and that angered Michael, who remembered to mention calling the owner. After calling the owner and confirming that Michael was the manager and was authorized to be there the police let them go.
An angry Michael who was punched a couple of times before being let go, then yelled angrily that he had everything on camera and that this would not be left alone and he would report them to the proper authorities. As soon as he made that statement, the SARGENT, rushed at him and bashed Michael's head into the store front window, cracking is in half and leaving a star like crack! Adrian then tried to come between the sargent and his older brother stating, that he was demonstrating unneccessary force!!!! Only to be greeted with a cruel fate! A sworm of police officers piled on top of my two brothers and plumeted their heads and bodies. Kicks, blows to the head, punches, slapping, kneeing came from all directions and from several cops.
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