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Old 08-22-2012, 04:21 PM   #1
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So, I'm certain everyone here has heard about Akin. But Ima post a video.

Video: Republican congressman: 'legitimate rape' does not cause pregnancies - Telegraph

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In trying to speak off the cuff and reduce complex ideas to short sound bites of the sort required for most televised appearances, I mis-spoke and failed to make clear the true intent of my words. I never meant to speak harshly or demean women who have suffered the incredible, unimaginable trauma of violent rape. I pray for these women, pray that they may someday find peace and understand how they may someday once again make themselves whole. I pray that they have learned a valuable lesson and can perhaps even grow from the experience, take from it a strength and moral character that might serve them as a guiding light in the future. Steel, after all, takes its strength from fire. So, I think, can women. That is my hope.

I must speak to the ongoing attacks upon my medical "mischaracterization" of rape. Unfortunately, I used the word "legitimate" to define rape, and that was insensitive of me. I apologize from the bottom of my soul. Rape is an attack on a woman, but it is more than that. It is a violation of her sexuality, an attack not just upon her but upon her husband, her lover, any man who values that aspect of her. But I feel it is important here to clarify the greater point I was trying to make, a point that goes beyond the emotional and traumatic effect of a valid rape and speaks to its biology. I spoke of a woman's body "shutting down" in the event of rape, and this comment has been widely misconstrued. Opponents have spoken of misperceptions I have regarding "magical juices" and "countermeasures" that somehow prevent insemination in the event of a rape or rapelike event.

These characterizations are unfair. I am not speaking of magical fluids or countermeasures like those found in fighter jets. What I am speaking of is the fundamental biological working of a woman. Biologically speaking, women can only become pregnant if they are ovulating . Ovulation is a process controlled by what we refer to as a "woman's orgasm." The fact that a woman releases one egg upon an orgasm is nature's way of ensuring that she releases her eggs only to those individuals known to her, those individuals -- her lover, her husband -- with whom she wants to create a child. Since it is highly unlikely that a woman would orgasm during a traumatic rape, it is unlikely that she would become pregnant from it. This is the only point I was trying to make, and I apologize for not making it more clearly.

Obviously, though, and for this I am deeply regretful and apologetic, statistics do prove that I was incorrect in my assertion that very few women become pregnant through rape. I believe that I have seen numbers as high as 5 percent of all rape victims become pregnant. While I do not pretend to understand why 5 percent of all women who are raped experience an orgasm, and I will draw no assumption about what that might mean regarding the validity of her rape, I will suggest that perhaps there is a conversation there to be had. But it is not a conversation for me to lead. What I must do now is pray for all of these women, all of these women and the women who may follow them, their daughters and their sisters and their friends. I hope that we can put this unfortunate incident behind us and move on together to make this country as great as I know it can be. Thank you.
So, Brainy. You have to tell me. Are Akin's comments reflective of conservatives as a whole, or is this merely the extremists in the party that aren't reflective of the party as a whole? And if it is the latter, do you think it is fair to characterize the entire party based on Akin's comments?
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So, Brainy. You have to tell me.

Okay, I'll tell ya. You are the worst person I know. You constantly hit on your best friend's wife, the man pays for your food and rescued you from certain death and this is how you repay him? And to add insult to injury, you defecate all over his yard. And you're such a sponge. You pay for nothing, you always say "Oh, I'll get you later" but later never comes. And what really bothers me, is you pretend you're this deep guy who loves women for their souls, when all you do is date bimbos. Yeah, I date women for their bodies but at least I'm honest about it. I don't buy them a copy of Catcher in the Rye and then lecture them with some seventh grade interruption of how Holden Caulfield is some profound intellectual. He wasn't! He was a spoiled brat! And that's why you like him so much, he's you! God, you're pretentious! And you delude yourself by thinking you're some great writer even though you're terrible. You know, I should had known You know, I should have known Cheryl Tiegs didn't write me that note. She would have known there's no "a" in the word "definite." And I think what I hate most about you is your textbook liberal agenda, how we should "legalize pot, man," how big business is crushing the underclass, how homelessness is the biggest tragedy in America. Well, what have you done to help? I work down at the soup kitchen, Blean. Never seen you down there! You wanna help? Grab a ladle! And by the way, driving a Prius doesn't make you Jesus Christ! Oh, wait! You don't believe in Jesus Christ or any religion for that matter, because "religion is for idiots!" Well, who the hell are you to talk down to anyone? You failed college twice, which isn't nearly as bad as your failure as a father! How's that son of yours you never see? But you know what? I could forgive all of that, all of it, if you weren't such a bore! That's the worst of it, Blaen. You're just a big, sad, alcoholic bore.
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Holy ****, sometimes you are dumb. You just fell for the internet.

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Holy ****, sometimes you are dumb. You just fell for the internet.

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I try to give Brainy an object lesson about trying to paint extremists as a whole party, and you ruin it Mg.
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Just in case any of you were not aware of this song:

Legitimate Rape Song By Taylor Ferrera Explains The Difference Between The Two Kinds Of Rape (VIDEO)

It made me LOL
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I try to give Brainy an object lesson about trying to paint extremists as a whole party, and you ruin it Mg.
Oh, this was more of your "baiting" or lessons in hypocrisy or whatever?

Get a life.
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Rape is the new joke subject? But I'm not done with Jews yet!
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Okay, I'll tell ya. You are the worst person I know. You constantly hit on your best friend's wife, the man pays for your food and rescued you from certain death and this is how you repay him? And to add insult to injury, you defecate all over his yard. And you're such a sponge. You pay for nothing, you always say "Oh, I'll get you later" but later never comes. And what really bothers me, is you pretend you're this deep guy who loves women for their souls, when all you do is date bimbos. Yeah, I date women for their bodies but at least I'm honest about it. I don't buy them a copy of Catcher in the Rye and then lecture them with some seventh grade interruption of how Holden Caulfield is some profound intellectual. He wasn't! He was a spoiled brat! And that's why you like him so much, he's you! God, you're pretentious! And you delude yourself by thinking you're some great writer even though you're terrible. You know, I should had known You know, I should have known Cheryl Tiegs didn't write me that note. She would have known there's no "a" in the word "definite." And I think what I hate most about you is your textbook liberal agenda, how we should "legalize pot, man," how big business is crushing the underclass, how homelessness is the biggest tragedy in America. Well, what have you done to help? I work down at the soup kitchen, Blean. Never seen you down there! You wanna help? Grab a ladle! And by the way, driving a Prius doesn't make you Jesus Christ! Oh, wait! You don't believe in Jesus Christ or any religion for that matter, because "religion is for idiots!" Well, who the hell are you to talk down to anyone? You failed college twice, which isn't nearly as bad as your failure as a father! How's that son of yours you never see? But you know what? I could forgive all of that, all of it, if you weren't such a bore! That's the worst of it, Blaen. You're just a big, sad, alcoholic bore.

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Rape is the new joke subject? But I'm not done with Jews yet!
Watch the original video, and you'll see why that satire I tried to use on Brainy to demonstrate the problem with demonizing a particular party with it's extremists is wrong.

Actual speech/video of his apology:

Video of the Day: Todd Akin's Apology Ad - David A. Graham - The Atlantic
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what, you don't rape jews?
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I want clarification if ruffies and chloroform fall under legitimate rape or not.
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Watch the original video, and you'll see why that satire I tried to use on Brainy to demonstrate the problem with demonizing a particular party with it's extremists is wrong.
Oh good grief. Okay, here we go.



Nobody is interested in your "lessons." You have never, ever posted anything that anyone here has found shocking, enlightening, challenging, or educational. Nobody has ever read one of your posts and learned an unexpected lesson, not because mt.net isn't full of smart, curious, and thoughtful people, but because the lessons you think you're teaching are empty, void, null.

You might have a chance at someday posting something interesting and thought-provoking if you ever stopped trying to play the "gotcha" game with people you assume need to be dragged, willing or not, into your enlightened worldview, and instead simply treated others like human beings capable of considering and evaluating your thoughts if you communicate them clearly and directly.
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I want clarification if ruffies and chloroform fall under legitimate rape or not.
Well, let's see if we can steer this back under political discourse then instead of demonstrating via satire that trying to claim the extremists reflect the actual positions of a party as a whole is foolish.

How bad is the Ryan-Akin anti-abortion bill? - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

Based on Ryan and Akin's bill to effectively ban abortion (Disclaimer: I am simplifying this bill way too much. There is more to the bill, but read it for yourself if you want more details.) in their state from anything but forcible rape/et al, their definition of forcible rape would probably not include roofies/ruffies or chloroform.

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...Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they’re over 18. And while “forcible rape” isn’t defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don’t involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity...
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Oh good grief. Okay, here we go.



Nobody is interested in your "lessons." You have never, ever posted anything that anyone here has found shocking, enlightening, challenging, or educational. Nobody has ever read one of your posts and learned an unexpected lesson, not because mt.net isn't full of smart, curious, and thoughtful people, but because the lessons you think you're teaching are empty, void, null.

You might have a chance at someday posting something interesting and thought-provoking if you ever stopped trying to play the "gotcha" game with people you assume need to be dragged, willing or not, into your enlightened worldview, and instead simply treated others like human beings capable of considering and evaluating your thoughts if you communicate them clearly and directly.
Considering some of the lengthly (and fruitful) discussions I've had here, Mg, I would have to disagree. The problem is public discussions on this forum are only worth the effort the posters put into it, unlike private discussions.

Secondly, pot and kettle bro. Pot and kettle. I'm not joking when I say the blatant hypocrisy you are engaging in within this very thread actually made me go from lulzy to "Is he serious? He can't be serious." You've engaged in repeated personal attacks in this very thread, then resort to whining about me treating people like human beings? Seriously? I'd say I'm shocked, but I've long gone past that point with you.
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Secondly, pot and kettle bro. Pot and kettle. I'm not joking when I say the blatant hypocrisy you are engaging in within this very thread actually made me go from lulzy to "Is he serious? He can't be serious." You've engaged in repeated personal attacks in this very thread, then resort to whining about me treating people like human beings? Seriously? I'd say I'm shocked, but I've long gone past that point with you.
I respect your intelligence enough to call you dumb to your face instead of trying to bait you with satire.
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Nice Soviet, one thing I've always found entertaining about rants on modern names in America....old names were a lot worse.

I've gone through family trees up to the ~1700s, and some of the names from the 1800s and 1700s make the new, designer names look sensible. Even the early 1900s can be kind of lulzy.

Much like many of the crap I hear spouted in modern times, we've seen the same pattern for centuries in the U.S.. People typically lack a sufficient education in history to grasp the pattern.

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I respect your intelligence enough to call you dumb to your face instead of trying to bait you with satire.
Uh huh. I'm actually going to make a completely serious post in politics for once, Mg.

If you are going to make big, flowery posts making a stance based on...whether it's morals, ethics, or even ideology, it lacks any validity if you then promptly betray what you are preaching.

This is exactly why I find it incredibly hard to enter into any kind of discussion with you, and after months of repeatedly trying to, I gave up.

It's not that I doubt your intelligence. I know you are intelligent.

It's not that I doubt you can grasp the concepts. I know you can and in fact I know that you do. There are several debates I'd love to sit down and argue with you, but some things you do that I believe you do intentionally drive me nuts. But I could be jumping to conclusions and be completely wrong about it.

As an allegory, I have a certain props stalker. I've seen him whine and cry over one neg prop. But he has no hesitation whatsoever to throw out massive negs on other people - even to the point where he'll give substantial retaliatory props based on nothing other than the belief that he thinks someone negged him.

I think this example will work very well. How would you try to sit down and talk to said props person to come to an understanding, Mg? What would you do?

Perhaps there is a substantial communication issue. How would you recommend resolving it if it is problematic communication, Mg? Perhaps I've been wrong about Mr. Stalker. Perhaps there's been a massive communication issue. How would you recommend I go resolving this communication issue with him? I know I have been wrong about a lot before, and perhaps I am completely mischaracterizing and misjudging my props stalker. Perhaps he and I can come to an amicable agreement, and I'm just an idiot when it comes to communication, as well as jumping to conclusions. I know I am prone to jumping to conclusions, and maybe I jumped to the completely wrong conclusion about him.

I will be greatly interested to hear your response, because it will tell me a great deal about what communication style you use - and if we are miscommunicating in politics. If we are miscommunicating, you do have my deepest apologies.

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I have no clue how you should advance your relationship with your stalker. Dinner and movie, perhaps?

With regard to my "communication style" and whether I'm intentionally driving you nuts, let me reiterate that it is you who has repeatedly presented false information as fact (under the guise of "satire"); who has stated and argued positions falsely (under the guise of "baiting" responses); who has made insincere claims intentionally for the purpose of inciting hysterical responses (under the guise of "pointing out hypocrisy").

Why would you possibly wonder why I might not choose to deal with you in good faith? And yet, I choose not to lie to you, bait you, or attempt to teach you silly lessons. I simply call you dumb when you do things like presenting false information as fact.
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I have no clue how you should advance your relationship with your stalker. Dinner and movie, perhaps?
And that's all I needed to know, Mg.

Thanks for letting me know I was right about that at least.
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Dude, get a life. Or maybe a job? Boyfriend perhaps?
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5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
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