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Old 01-25-2009, 11:28 PM   #61
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since the main thing that determines flow in a turbo motor is boost!






























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Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
just to clarify

Boost^-1^flow
|Boost|flow
Boost*ln^e^flow
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No I asked A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON THE BOOST PEOPLE RUN BEFORE THERE MOTORS BLOW UP!!!
there is NO ROUGH ESTIMATE AVAILABLE FOR A FIGURE THAT DOESN'T EXIST

HOW HARD DO WE HAVE TO RAM THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULL
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Boostflow
Boostflow
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Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
Boostflow
So you're saying that an engine running 25psi and then 30psi would have the same flow. No because Flow increases (non-linearly) as boost increases. I also never said boost=flow just that boost corresponds with flow.
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just to clarify

Boost^-1^flow
|Boost|flow
Boost*ln^e^flow
Thank you, sir for the clarification.

I'd hate to be misconstrued.
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Then what does change flow more in a turbo car.
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Have you read all my posts. I know its not boost but pressure. What does pressure equal. Torque. But did I ask about that. No I asked A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON THE BOOST PEOPLE RUN BEFORE THERE MOTORS BLOW UP!!!

I missed Sav's earlier post on torque. I never argued it wasn't torque.
Honestly what the **** is going on here.

You say "I know it's not boost but pressure", THESE ARE THE SAME ******* THING.

then..

"What does pressure equal. Torque"

PRESSURE DOES NOT EQUAL TORQUE.

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PRESSURE DOES NOT EQUAL TORQUE, AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH.

goddamn.
If you have x amount of pressure in your combustion chamber you can find out how much torque it will have.
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Then what does change flow more in a turbo car.
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Waste your time. Lol. I can assure you the feeling is mutual.

Seriously, look back at your computer screen for just a second. Count how many people are telling you you're wrong. Also look at these people's post counts. Consider the fact that you could be wrong.

You seriously don't get it. Here's a realllllyyy simplified way of putting it

Fuel burned/unit time = HP Burning fuel is the goal. Period.

To burn fuel, you need oxygen. A turbocharger will increase the density of the air going into the engine. Denser air= more oxygen. However, the compressor of the turbo gets its' power from the turbine. The turbine places a restriction on the engine, causing back pressure. Small turbo's have smaller turbines that place a larger restriction on the engine. This causes a larger pressure (read, enthalpy) difference across the turbine, resulting in more shaft work to drive the compressor. So a turbo with a very restrictive turbine will spool fast, but won't make much power. Where as a turbo with a large turbine will spool slowly, but once spooled, will make more power.
There ya go.
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there is NO ROUGH ESTIMATE AVAILABLE FOR A FIGURE THAT DOESN'T EXIST

HOW HARD DO WE HAVE TO RAM THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULL
Then how come people have been able to answer my question.
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Then what does change flow more in a turbo car.
First and foremost, turbo size, because it's quite an exhaust restriction. Secondly, the intake ports and manifold. Changing the manifold to an aftermarket manifold with velocity stacks has proven to prop the torque band up quite a bit in the last 2000rpm or so, which greatly improves flow and top-end power.

Ironically, everything that you can do to increase flow in a turbo motor will reduce the restriction that we measure as boost.
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If you have x amount of pressure in your combustion chamber you can find out how much torque it will have.
lomotherfuckingl

Seriously, search. Read for days. You are so wrong, it's crazy. You're making a fool out of yourself.
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If you have x amount of pressure in your combustion chamber you can find out how much torque it will have.
Don't even THINK about pretending that's what you meant by pressure. We all know damn well what you meant, and cylinder pressure was not it. Backpedal harder.
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There ya go.
You just said flow is increase from denser air inside the intake manifold. Which is boost.
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Don't even THINK about pretending that's what you meant by pressure. We all know damn well what you meant, and cylinder pressure was not it. Backpedal harder.
Umm read my posts. Some said what did I mean and I said PPP. Then i decided to just use pressure after that.
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Why not "How much flow (HP) can my built (still imaginary and hypothetical benchracing) engine withstand?"

And the answer is we don't know because it doesn't exist.

"How high is the sky?"

Did you even read the 2.5 BAR post I gave you a few posts back?
That's a real world answer, and you skipped right over it.
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You just said flow is increase from denser air inside the intake manifold. Which is boost.
Reread my post. I never said the word FLOW or BOOST. Not once.
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If you have x amount of pressure in your combustion chamber you can find out how much torque it will have.
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Why not "How much flow (HP) can my built (still imaginary and hypothetical benchracing) engine withstand?"

And the answer is we don't know because it doesn't exist.

"How high is the sky?"

Did you even read the 2.5 BAR post I gave you a few posts back?
That's a real world answer, and you skipped right over it.
I saw it just don't car for how you have treated my simple question so don't care for your input. I thank people who just answer my question not people who want to argue. Besides 2.5 bar is right where i've been saying already 22psi.
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I saw it just don't car for how you have treated my simple question so don't care for your input. I thank people who just answer my question not people who want to argue.
Hyper?
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