I believe Sav said he thought it would be a 500 RPM boost in spool. That would be great, but still seems high. Current setup is 16 PSI at 7K ish. It would be great if VVT helped a lot.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1032707)
There's your problem. I tried to drive the car once with the vvt noid unplugged. I thought I lost all compression it was so slow and didnt build boost.
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Originally Posted by SleeperMX-5
(Post 1032709)
Any numbers? I think y8s tested this on a dyno a long time ago and there was a difference, I actually don't remember how much though...
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Well I didn't think it made that big of a difference, but it sounds like I'm wrong. I REALLY hope it helps as much as you experienced.
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lol I keep forgetting you're running this thing without vvt control. actually even worse: its fully retarded all the time.
there are over a handful of major things holding your car/setup back. sounds to me that with everything you're doing, once its squared away it will go from mediocre to 5x overkill LOL tuning afr, getting ait under control, having a sc pushing 18psi, controlling vvt, and getting the timing in check will make the car feel so different you will piss yourself |
start planning a drivetrain upgrade and driving on slicks full time
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1032721)
lol I keep forgetting you're running this thing without vvt control. actually even worse: its fully retarded all the time.
there are over a handful of major things holding your car/setup back. sounds to me that with everything you're doing, once its squared away it will go from mediocre to 5x overkill LOL tuning afr, getting ait under control, having a sc pushing 18psi, controlling vvt, and getting the timing in check will make the car feel so different you will piss yourself And yeah, when I get all the stuff fixed and dialed in, it should be fun. :) |
I intend to do this with a toyota SC14 and something big and cheap (T04 or something).
The sc14 will be mounted below the turbo, allowing intercooling of both, I also intend to spray before the blower. SC14 also has a bypass for experimenting with it. Although I know an SC14 can do 400whp on the right setup on its own, so I dont see it becoming a restriction unless I went for the ultimate record. Dann |
Originally Posted by nitrodann
(Post 1032781)
I intend to do this with a toyota SC14 and something big and cheap (T04 or something).
The sc14 will be mounted below the turbo, allowing intercooling of both, I also intend to spray before the blower. SC14 also has a bypass for experimenting with it. Although I know an SC14 can do 400whp on the right setup on its own, so I dont see it becoming a restriction unless I went for the ultimate record. Dann |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1032783)
I can't even picture this...Will your car have no hood?
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1032789)
Yeah I'm kind of confused here too. You need to intercool between the turbo and the blower and between the blower and the engine. One would argue that the intercooling between the two compressors is more important than the one between the final compressor and the engine.
I don't get that part at all either. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1032790)
huh?
I don't get that part at all either. |
I think making serious power (500whp) when your final compressor stage is unintercooled is a pipe dream, no matter what's happening in between the turbo and the supercharger.
If I were to attempt something like this, it would involve a low-mounted turbo and a hotside MP62. Either feed the blower through the turbo's compressor wheel or feed them both into the same intercooler. Feeding the blower with the turbo could work, but I'd be concerned about boost control. |
Boost control on this setup is going to be difficult. It would probably be easier to control the turbo based on desired pressure at the blower inlet than trying to control it based on the manifold pressure.
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Turbo E85 injection Big throttle body Supercharger Intercooler Intake manifold throttle body IM e85 injection again Combustion. Like that. A low mount sc14 with a sidewinder manifold, kind of like crtndrftr's manifold. Fed into a front mount, with a rear mount radiator. I have an NA shell just sitting here about to be chopped up and a personal challenge on the aus forum to build a car that does x time for 5k. After that, Ill go nuts on it with the big turbo and blower. Dann |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1032819)
Boost control on this setup is going to be difficult. It would probably be easier to control the turbo based on desired pressure at the blower inlet than trying to control it based on the manifold pressure.
According to my logic. Dann |
Great to see someone brave enough go against the grain and build twin charged engine. My hat's off for you sir.
Few thing's that came in mind. 1. why dont you get better flowing exhaust manifold? 2. how will you control IAT? 3. how will you control boost? Here's a video to keep the spirit high. To nitrodann Why are you going to fit the SC below the turbo? Why not fit it like hotside on top off the exhaust manifold? Then just a thought. Instead of using old school SC blower, one would use Rotrex (like in the video) with proper gearing, it would be easier to install, would create less heat and off course SC would be more expencive to buy.. |
Originally Posted by samulis
(Post 1032890)
Then just a thought. Instead of using old school SC blower, one would use Rotrex
Dann |
Originally Posted by samulis
(Post 1032890)
Then just a thought. Instead of using old school SC blower, one would use Rotrex (like in the video) with proper gearing, it would be easier to install, would create less heat and off course SC would be more expencive to buy..
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