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Old 01-06-2010, 11:32 PM   #21
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dude i run a t25 from an sr20 and an ebay I/C a small one to boot, I have 225+ hp goals that doesn't mean I have to get the big stupid slow spolling bs now and hate my car untill I build my motor
You are very mysterious in your explainations which believes us to mis read your "goals" so we can only imagine your an idiot and quess what your proving it.....
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I already said a while ago that the MS vs AEM is the main question left unanswered. If you guys could stop beating that deal horse, that would be great.
you should know by now huh? what do u wanna run?
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And you think that 200whp is my final goal, or starting goal?

HINT: It's on the first post. I even quoted it again and put it in bold.
did i tell you to get my turbo? no.
do you know what my goals are? no.

did you know that the 2871 is capable of in excess of 400hp?
because you sure as hell didnt say you wanted to make over 400hp.

lots of people get their setup running on a lesser setup than their final goals.
but spending 1500 bucks on a turbo and then not having enough money for an intercooler is pretty ******* stupid.
Maybe this is too logical for you but have you considered maybe gettring it running a a cheap t25 non-intercooler, then adding an intercooler, THEN getting a gt2871? hmmm?
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here check out this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t42276/
towards the end he ends up blowing the motor due to some slight downfalls of the MS ECU, and is now using an AEM. Coming from a very experienced MS user (Savington): "The MSPNP wasn't doing anything wrong, but it wasn't doing some things at all. I want individual cylinder trims, knock sensing, onboard datalogging, VVT control, and real closed-loop boost control. AEM does all of that, and with the Series 1 ECUs on closeout right now they are a smoking deal. I paid about $1100 for mine."

Theres more to it in that thread and this one:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t40699/

Read them both, pretty cool car, but the main point is that he has about 3xx hp at the end, and is pushing the car to the absolute "ragged edge", and then he finally finds the limits of the MS, which are partially described in the above quote.


P.S. I think everyone (and by everyone I mean FTB and P51) needs to stop trying to be Hustler, like, now.
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Maybe this is too logical for you but have you considered maybe gettring it running a a cheap t25 non-intercooler, then adding an intercooler, THEN getting a gt2871? hmmm?
exactly what i planed to do and it has all fallen together except the bigger turbo due to motor as soon as that's built boom gt2871 And you know what that means?
I'll be in the B.B.C. (Big Boys Club)!
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I think you just want to be different, which is cool, we totally support that. hey heres an idea, why dont you do this:
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itll be cool, trust me

edit: alright im done
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rofl wheres that pink lemans miata !!!!
BOOOM there it is lol
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here check out this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t42276/
towards the end he ends up blowing the motor due to some slight downfalls of the MS ECU, and is now using an AEM. Coming from a very experienced MS user (Savington): "The MSPNP wasn't doing anything wrong, but it wasn't doing some things at all. I want individual cylinder trims, knock sensing, onboard datalogging, VVT control, and real closed-loop boost control. AEM does all of that, and with the Series 1 ECUs on closeout right now they are a smoking deal. I paid about $1100 for mine."

Theres more to it in that thread and this one:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t40699/

Read them both, pretty cool car, but the main point is that he has about 3xx hp at the end, and is pushing the car to the absolute "ragged edge", and then he finally finds the limits of the MS, which are partially described in the above quote.


P.S. I think everyone (and by everyone I mean FTB and P51) needs to stop trying to be Hustler, like, now.
Thanks for the normal response.

I read those threads. Both were very educational. That's the exact kind of experience that I was talking about. If you skimp on parts, you may end up paying more in the long run. I am coming from a fully built (motor and all) DSM, so I've been around the block. I went with lesser parts and it lost me my motor as well. That won't be happening again.

Can anyone trying to talk **** to me say the same?
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That pink miata is the ****. Seriously. It's amazing.
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I went with lesser parts and it lost me my motor as well. That won't be happening again.

Can anyone trying to talk **** to me say the same?
who's talking ****?
curly relax hustler gave me permission

your talking about running 200 without an IC that in itself shows your retarded unless you planned on WI, which you haven't stated.....

And you went with lesser parts meaning what? u had a cheaply built motor big turdblow and blew it because you had no engine management? explain more...
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who's talking ****?
curly relax hustler gave me permission

your talking about running 200 without an IC that in itself shows your retarded unless you planned on WI, which you haven't stated.....

And you went with lesser parts meaning what? u had a cheaply built motor big turdblow and blew it because you had no engine management? explain more...
With his DSM experience (I have none myself, but I think they're 2.0 or bigger) 200hp with a non intercoolered turbo setup is possible.

Jack, I don't think you'll do it unless you start with an amazingly well built miata motor, meaning maybe 140ish NA hp? Cause 200 is doubling a 1.6's stock power. That's not going to happen without either WI or an intercooler.

Please don't discount the MS though, if you drive more sanely than Sav, AND keep it off the track (didn't you say you weren't tracking it somewhere?) then I really don't think you'll be short changing your motor with a MegaSquirt.

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curly relax hustler gave me permission
God dammit Hustler.
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who's talking ****?
curly relax hustler gave me permission

your talking about running 200 without an IC that in itself shows your retarded unless you planned on WI, which you haven't stated.....

And you went with lesser parts meaning what? u had a cheaply built motor big turdblow and blew it because you had no engine management? explain more...


You call me retarded in one sentence and ask me to break things down for you the next?

**** you.
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With his DSM experience (I have none myself, but I think they're 2.0 or bigger) 200hp with a non intercoolered turbo setup is possible.

Jack, I don't think you'll do it unless you start with an amazingly well built miata motor, meaning maybe 140ish NA hp? Cause 200 is doubling a 1.6's stock power. That's not going to happen without either WI or an intercooler.

Please don't discount the MS though, if you drive more sanely than Sav, AND keep it off the track (didn't you say you weren't tracking it somewhere?) then I really don't think you'll be short changing your motor with a MegaSquirt.



God dammit Hustler.
I have the old water injection from my DSM, but I'd like to avoid it if possible.

I will be tracking the car, but not as often as Savington does.

We all know that IAT's are the main problem at hand. When you run a larger compressor at lower boost, it greatly reduces IAT compared to running a smaller turbo with more boost. It also makes more power than a lot of people may think. I am just really curious to see how a 2871 would do non-intercooled with a very efficient tubular manifold.

I haven't seen it done and I'm curious.
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This is the manifold if anyone is interested.



http://www.boostlogic.com/xcart/prod...&cat=70&page=1
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You call me retarded in one sentence and ask me to break things down for you the next?

**** you.
First off don't all turbo dsm come with I/c?
rofl ur getting über bitchy are u PMS'n


and second that was the first i directly bashed you because your stubbourn attitude required it...
BTW good job on reading the forum rules and creating a intro thread along with where your located in your sig.....

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youre not giving us all the info.
now you want to track the car?
that just went from "maybe/probably not", to "no way in hell".

I doubt you could run more than 5spi on the track without an intercooler or water injection, the heat saturation is immense.

if you want help you gotta tell us everything about what you want to do with the car, how its going to be set up, built, cooling system, other internals, target power, what kind of power band you want, how important spool is, etc.
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thats an expensive manifold
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I like the design, although the Absurdflow, i think personally is one of the best designs for the miatas. Thats why i built this one.

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Any reason why your keeping ac/ps?
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BTW good job on reading the forum rules and creating a intro thread along with where your located in your sig.....
once again......
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I like the design, although the Absurdflow, i think personally is one of the best designs for the miatas. Thats why i built this one.

Any reason why your keeping ac/ps?
I spoke with Tim already. I like his manifolds a lot, but I want to run AC and PS. I grew out of stripping cars of civility a while ago.
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