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Old 01-07-2010, 01:45 AM   #41
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thats an expensive manifold
Definitely, but it's not too bad once you take into account it's coating and lifetime warranty. It would be the first and last manifold I would ever have to buy.
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Boost Logic makes some great parts, I'm pretty big into the Supra Community myself, Sound Performance, BL, Titan etc. I've come across this problem with the Miata crowd too when it comes to turbo charger's I just let them run there smaller turbos and leave it at that, GT Garretts are starting to become old technology--there are better turbos out there around that size, for cheaper at that. Not sure how you're going to run a Tial housing on a T3 platform manifold, by the time you mod that BL manifold you'd spent too much. You should make 200 whp, but really no point of doing this w.o a FMIC you're already set on good products? So it's seems kind of half-***.

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We use eBay intercoolers with great success <-I don't I use Custom ETS (Best in the business)
We love our "dinky" turbochargers. <-I don't run nothing small, it's pointless
We love our MegaSquirts <- I run AEM EMS
We have no idea who boost logic is <- I do, as well as Titan; Sound Performance; AMS; Buschur Racing; ETS..etc
We have been around A LOT. amirght!? <- Yes I have, i'm only 21 too ;-)
We strongly consider chinachargers and used turbos before a brand new Garrett.. <-GT wheels are old technology now..IMO billet wheels is in, GT out

Then again, I have bigger goals then most on the forum....
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So much "holier than thou" going on in this thread... you guys are as bad as RX7Club.com
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This is a miata forum. Miatas are inexpensive. If we had the money to buy all these baller parts we probably wouldnt be fooling around with miatas.
If you make a thread talking about doing something on a budget we are going to tell you how to do it on a budget because thats what were good at.

Thats what I love about this forum. There are a lot of smart people on here who are interested in applying the engineering and science that the aftermarket companies use to diy parts in order to build homebrew fast cars.
There are people on here who have built manifolds as good, if not better than that $700 manifold. And before they did that there was probably a 10 page thread about the best primary tube length/diameter, collector shape, bracing, etc.
Thats pretty cool to me.

So if you wnat to do a baller build then just say it, and we will say "cool, I wish I could buy baller parts". But if you say you wnat it cheap, were gonna say that ebay intercools and chinachargers a great and share our sucess stories with these inexpensive components.
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Speak for yourself. I bought a Miata because I wanted one. The low cost is just an added perk.

I'm sure there is a 10 page thread, but I guarantee it's not made by either Tim or the guys from ARTech. Those also happen to be the only two manifold builders that I would compare to the Boostlogic manifold.

How many other turbo cars have people owned on this forum, besides their Miata? How many have seen the results from paying for the higher end products?

You run a cheap log manifold with a knock-off turbo and an eBay FMIC. What else do you have experience with?
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You run a cheap log manifold with a knock-off turbo and an eBay FMIC. What else do you have experience with?
I run a $400 cast manifold proven to be reliable for extended mileage and track abuse. My miata is my daily driver, otherwise I would have built a tubular manifold which probably would have cracked eventually.

Im running a knock-off turbo because its cheap, an Im running an ebay inercooler because its cheap.
If I had more money to be spent I would spend it in other places long before I spent it on the turbo or intercooler, such as the clutch, injectors, cooling system, and internals. The reason for this is that those "knock-off/cheap/ebay" components are completely capable of meeting my goals and being reliable. If I switched to a similar sized garrett and a brand name intercooler the gains would likely be nonexistent or very minimal.

What else do I have experience with? Well I did build and a Formula Vee race car from scratch which I successfully raced in the SCCA, in addition to participating in the building of countless other Formula Vees, and Ive been involved in the building on several hot rods, race cars, and turbo hondas, etc.
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but anyway, youre obviously not going to change your mind about anything or listen to anybodys advice. so **** it. later bro. enjoy your stay on this forum.
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How many other turbo cars have people owned on this forum, besides their Miata? How many have seen the results from paying for the higher end products?

You run a cheap log manifold with a knock-off turbo and an eBay FMIC. What else do you have experience with?

I started out in highschool with a nissan 240sx. Dumped about 10 grand into "name brand" quality parts. I could have built the same car for 4 grand with what I know today. You need to choose your battles, buy cheap parts where u can, buy the good stuff where you need it.

If you actually took the time to read what we have posted on this forum about products you would see. Spend money on a good name brand clutch, not some ebay ****... but FMIC, RX7 injectors vs aftermarket, ect ect... DONT waste your money buying the expensive ****.

Some of the "name brand" parts i had for my 240 were the biggest pieces of ****. $700 + intercooler that did nothing more than what a $200 ebay set up would have done. . . $100 greddy cone filter that does little to nothing more than a 20 dollar advanced auto special.

Do your research and start listening to people.
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Questions? Comments? Criticisms?
I have nothing to add because I'm too stupid, but for the life of me I don't know why you asked for comments.

BTW, that boostlogic mani is really nice.
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This place is becoming to welcoming to little complainey bitches! I've seen other people get banned for less than this guy!
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Let me just ask, what are you exact goals, for now and for the rest of the life of this car? I think we could come up with some more useful information if we have all the info from you. I also have kind of a black sheep of a turbo that you might be familiar with being from DSM land, its called a Holset. I was able to get it for free from a dodge guy.
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Speak for yourself. I bought a Miata because I wanted one. The low cost is just an added perk.

I'm sure there is a 10 page thread, but I guarantee it's not made by either Tim or the guys from ARTech. Those also happen to be the only two manifold builders that I would compare to the Boostlogic manifold.

How many other turbo cars have people owned on this forum, besides their Miata? How many have seen the results from paying for the higher end products?

You run a cheap log manifold with a knock-off turbo and an eBay FMIC. What else do you have experience with?

The thing I've come to realize, is 250-300hp in a Miata is a lot. If a cheaper log manifold and a "chinacharger" will get me to that goal with good results and reliability, then there is NO reason to spend stupid money on expensive parts.

I have an FD. You want to talk about expensive parts? I've spent 15K alone in my engine bay in the last year, and the car doesn't even run yet. I've been through expensive parts that supposedly are "the top of the line" that have bitten me in the ***. Then on the other hand I have bought "OK" parts that turned out to be GREAT.

If you research your parts, and buy what it required for you build as long as you are happy with it then great. If you're buying them strictly for "baller" status and bragging rights, you bought the wrong car. If you want 10PSI by 5000RPM with your GT28 on your 1.6L baby engine that flows a measly 300CFM at 13PSI then that's fine. Have fun with that. Why someone would build what you are doing with that turbo, non-inter cooled and with a current (notice how I said current) goal for 200whp is beyond me. The amount of money you are spend on your "baller" parts, would buy you two journal bearing Garret turbos. One.. smaller 200whp turbo and one larger. Run the small one for now, have great spool and a fun car and then when you want more power throw on the bigger one. You're doing it all backwards.

It seems to me that you came here ready for a fight. If that's the case, I can speak for everyone here saying you are not welcome. Sure, my post count may be low here, but I've been around the block a few times. Now go in your garage and build your "baller" Miata and stop being a douche...

Come back when you have something to show for it... then maybe we'll take you seriously.
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You guys are so wrapped up in defending your cars. Get over it. Just because I won't ever put those parts on my car, doesn't mean nobody else should. I don't care what you run on your own personal car. This stance comes from experience and blowing up fully built motors that a lot of you don't seem to have.

Everyone is telling me to listen, but I'm not hearing anything besides bashing a new idea. What's there to hear? I see a bunch of kids stuck in a bubble.

I think the reason I haven't been banned is the mods are interested in what I propose. Maybe they think I can bring something new to this forum. Most of you never heard of Boostlogic before this thread, but they happen to offer high quality parts for Miata's. It's a horrible thing, isn't it?
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Come back when you have something to show for it... then maybe we'll take you seriously.
Pot, meet kettle
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This stance comes from experience and blowing up fully built motors that a lot of you don't seem to have.
Don't get Stance, they suck.

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I think the reason I haven't been banned is the mods are interested in what I propose. Maybe they think I can bring something new to this forum.
I bet that's it.
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Maybe they think I can bring something new to this forum.....
nope... don't think that's it...
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Pot, meet kettle
ooh, stab to the heart. I feel so hurt!

Oh, and I HAVE heard of boostlogic... but the Miata is a beat around car for me. Why spend a ton of money when I don't have to? I spend my "real" money on my FD.

I've done enough engine builds to know where I can save money.
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Just read the whole thread. I guess I'm trying to figure out what you are trying to do here. I mean here on MT.net. You ask for comments and criticisms, get them and then go into total defensive mode. Everything that has been suggested above is valid and has been learned through trial and error on these specific cars and motors. I know that it seems wierd. It seems wierd when Hondas can run GT35 or GT40 turbos at 25 and 30psi and are the same or .2L larger in displacement yet we run the little ones. Yes, it's for spool. Most don't want a dyno queen that comes on at 6K rpm only to shift 1500 later. It's about usable power.

Also, you weren't clear about your goals up front. When you talk about a no intercooler starter kit, it conjures up a certian mindset and answers are tailored to that request.

If you had stated that you were going forged and going for 400whp later and this is just the first step, answers would have been different.

That said, if your mind is made up, why did you ask for comments or criticisms? Why didn't you just say "Here's what I'm doing and how/why I am doing it."?
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ya know not to bash or anything I have a huge turbo on a 1.6 but its fully built, the manifold you want looks nice but it looks like they tried to cover up an intern's welds with a nice coating, the ARTech manifolds seem to be of much higher quality control. I just build a manifold and those welds dont look much better than mine.
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Not one of you has even asked me if I planed on building a motor later to use the power potential.

I've seen tons of ****-talking here about M.net saying that they are so close-minded about everything. Guess what you are doing? It's pretty hypocritical. I have an idea that's different than yours. ZOMG!!!!1! IT'S SO WRONG!!!!

If you guys get your panties in a bunch over my turbo selection, I can't wait to see how you'll react to me using 1000cc Bosch low impedance injectors. OMG OMG OMG!!!!! IT'S OVERKILL TO THE MAXIMUM!!!!!
Wow, the stereotypes about you ------s over at VWvortex are true. Shut the **** up and listen, a 2871 is oversized for 200whp. It won't be awful and I guess it'll give you some headroom in the future, but it's not at all ideal. Non intercooled

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I think the reason I haven't been banned is the mods are interested in what I propose. Maybe they think I can bring something new to this forum. Most of you never heard of Boostlogic before this thread, but they happen to offer high quality parts for Miata's. It's a horrible thing, isn't it?
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