EWG plumbing quick question
09-11-2014, 12:56 PM
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I know this is what we're discussing because you said this:
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While Joe's article is great, Corky Bell in his book: Maximum Boost disagrees with hooking up the boost signal in the intake manifold. He in fact suggested the best location is at the compressor wheel (Point A in the above link).
In this particular topic the OP has a turbo external waste gate which is controlled by the spring inside the waste gate. To get quick spool all he needs to do is hook a manual boost controller inline and forget about it. There are tons of pictures online as to how to do this.
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09-11-2014, 12:58 PM
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You guys talk **** about a person who is a supporting vendor in this site and at the same time buy parts from this same vendor. WTF???I don't understand. .., but I would like to see him address his opinion on this topic. I read page 148 on his book and does have a valid point of view.
Have you personally ordered any non-off the shelf parts from them?
That's your personal opinion, the fact is many people hook the boost signal directly to the compressor wheel and call it a day. In this particular topic the OP has a turbo external waste gate which is controlled by the spring inside the waste gate. To get quick spool all he needs to do is hook a manual boost controller available inline (between waste gate and compressor) and forget about it. There are tons of pictures online as to how to do this.
Stop posting.
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09-11-2014, 01:02 PM
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Maximum Boost, published 1997.
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
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09-11-2014, 01:04 PM
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Maximum Boost, published 1997.
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
That they're SUPER AWESOME and we're all RETARDED FOR NOT USING THEM?!?!
And that BeGi sells blow through carb kits because they're so much fuckwin?
And that said kits fit perfectly the first time right out of the box?
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09-11-2014, 01:15 PM
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Maximum Boost, published 1997.
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
Joe Perez thread, published 2010.
Apparently we can never learn anything new, and sticking with the old information is always correct. BTW in the paragraphs in Maximum Boost you're referencing Corky is also talking about FPRs and blow-through carbs. That should probably tell you something...
"The intake plenum signal source will slightly improve boost response, since the turbo is free to make all the boost it can until the pressure reaches the signal source and is transmitted to the waste gate. The fact that the turbo is free to make a brief spike of boost will cause the intercooler to be hit by a greater slug of temperature. Greater temperature is always to be considered a negative. For a blow-through carburetor system, where the wastegate and fuel pressure regulator must see the same signal simultaneously, the plenum signal source is best. Sourcing the signal from the intake manifold should be considered only when turbo response is of the highest importance and the short blast of extra heat can be tolerated or ignored.
All things considered, heat should be the controlling factor. Unless unusual circumstances dictate, hook the waste gate signal to the compressor outlet and call it a day."
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09-11-2014, 01:25 PM
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Maximum Boost PAGE 148 is all about boost signal, read below.
"The intake plenum signal source will slightly improve boost response, since the turbo is free to make all the boost it can until the pressure reaches the signal source and is transmitted to the waste gate. The fact that the turbo is free to make a brief spike of boost will cause the intercooler to be hit by a greater slug of temperature. Greater temperature is always to be considered a negative. For a blow-through carburetor system, where the wastegate and fuel pressure regulator must see the same signal simultaneously, the plenum signal source is best. Sourcing the signal from the intake manifold should be considered only when turbo response is of the highest importance and the short blast of extra heat can be tolerated or ignored.
All things considered, heat should be the controlling factor. Unless unusual circumstances dictate, hook the waste gate signal to the compressor outlet and call it a day."
"The intake plenum signal source will slightly improve boost response, since the turbo is free to make all the boost it can until the pressure reaches the signal source and is transmitted to the waste gate. The fact that the turbo is free to make a brief spike of boost will cause the intercooler to be hit by a greater slug of temperature. Greater temperature is always to be considered a negative. For a blow-through carburetor system, where the wastegate and fuel pressure regulator must see the same signal simultaneously, the plenum signal source is best. Sourcing the signal from the intake manifold should be considered only when turbo response is of the highest importance and the short blast of extra heat can be tolerated or ignored.
All things considered, heat should be the controlling factor. Unless unusual circumstances dictate, hook the waste gate signal to the compressor outlet and call it a day."
Heat control is a problem when you have a postage stamp sized intercooler (common in the 80's, my 1984 conquest is non-intercooled from the factory)... since then people started putting real intercoolers on cars... and fuel injection.
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09-11-2014, 01:34 PM
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Maximum Boost PAGE 148 is all about boost signal, read below.
"The intake plenum signal source will slightly improve boost response, since the turbo is free to make all the boost it can until the pressure reaches the signal source and is transmitted to the waste gate. The fact that the turbo is free to make a brief spike of boost will cause the intercooler to be hit by a greater slug of temperature. Greater temperature is always to be considered a negative. -This is all you need to know! In reference to Joe's post, Right before the TB is best.... No reason to have vac applied on a wastegate that responds to positive pressure
For a blow-through carburetor system, where the wastegate and fuel pressure regulator must see the same signal simultaneously, the plenum signal source is best. Sourcing the signal from the intake manifold should be considered only when turbo response is of the highest importance and the short blast of extra heat can be tolerated or ignored. -Old information, as pointed out by everybody / I'd only test this if I had a low boosted setup, no craps given, maybe no intercooler 5psi or less
All things considered, heat should be the controlling factor. Unless unusual circumstances dictate, hook the waste gate signal to the compressor outlet and call it a day." -AKA In the end, lowest spool response, lowest heat output, but leads you down a path of surging psi/unstable boost
"The intake plenum signal source will slightly improve boost response, since the turbo is free to make all the boost it can until the pressure reaches the signal source and is transmitted to the waste gate. The fact that the turbo is free to make a brief spike of boost will cause the intercooler to be hit by a greater slug of temperature. Greater temperature is always to be considered a negative. -This is all you need to know! In reference to Joe's post, Right before the TB is best.... No reason to have vac applied on a wastegate that responds to positive pressure
For a blow-through carburetor system, where the wastegate and fuel pressure regulator must see the same signal simultaneously, the plenum signal source is best. Sourcing the signal from the intake manifold should be considered only when turbo response is of the highest importance and the short blast of extra heat can be tolerated or ignored. -Old information, as pointed out by everybody / I'd only test this if I had a low boosted setup, no craps given, maybe no intercooler 5psi or less
All things considered, heat should be the controlling factor. Unless unusual circumstances dictate, hook the waste gate signal to the compressor outlet and call it a day." -AKA In the end, lowest spool response, lowest heat output, but leads you down a path of surging psi/unstable boost
Just let it go Bro.
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09-11-2014, 08:59 PM
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Wow... I am going to use a manual boost control. The feed will be after the intercooler. Done.
I have talked to Corky a few times over the phone back in the day and he really seems to be a nice knowledgeable guy and Begi does make some good parts but I don't agree with what he mentioned in his book, in fact I have the book myself. He is not God.
Now, can we stop arguing? The question has been answered.
I have talked to Corky a few times over the phone back in the day and he really seems to be a nice knowledgeable guy and Begi does make some good parts but I don't agree with what he mentioned in his book, in fact I have the book myself. He is not God.
Now, can we stop arguing? The question has been answered.
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