First Start (help me)
 

So everythings hooked up. I tried starting the motor but Im getting no oil pressure (nothing out of the oil feed line either). There is oil in the motor, and the motor wont stay on by itself (can be kept on with throttle) any ideas?

you should first prime the engine before starting. I had to crank mine for about 45 seconds to get pressure to the head. If you have an oil pressure gauge wait until you see a blip from it so you know you have pressure. Then start it.

Well we cranked it a few times but not for 45 seconds, ill try that tomorrow, thanks Mr. Floyd. Any other tips?

Alright I cranked it for 45 seconds but still nothing, again the motor will come to life and die right away (without oil pressure)

vac leak on the motor.
can't say on the OP.

Disconnect the coil pack so you won't get spark. Put in a autozone mechanical oil pressure gauge, so you know that it's not your stock opg messing up. Then crank till you have oil pressue, if you don't get oil pressure, bigger things going on.

You DO have oil in the motor, right? :gay:

Well dying motor i can deal with, dead no OIL pressure is osmehitng I cant.

ANd the afm is hooked up, right?

this is the first start after what? A turbo install or an engine swap?

i'd tend to think you forgot to plug in the pressure sending unit.

no we check its plugged in (turbo) and no oil from feed line

Alright I know what im doing today (yes theres oil)

You didn't happen to knick the oil pickup line when tapping the pan (if you tapped the pan that is)?

I did tap the pan I dont think i did, i was extremely careful not too. I can take the tap out and check.

FUCK ME!! I dont know how I did that. Salvagble? What do i do now?

what material is that can i just throw a bead on it?

damn that sucks, I dont know what it is. I want to say brass, but i think thats just because of the color of it since its oil stained.

HOLY FUCK!!! if you hit what I think you hit while drilling,your in for a shitload of work to replace the oil pick up tube.

nah, rough it up and JB weld it. She'll hold.

I'd try that before pulling the engine:eek4:

thats what im thinking

the other thing you could do is take some rubber hose and slit it, pop it over the tube and hose clamp it if you can gain access and there's room.

Looks small, JB should hold since that would be under vacuum, wouldn't it? maybe mix it with a little more hardener than usual just to be sure.

Both are good ideas, JB Weld has held the side of a motorcycle block for 2 years :) I think itll hold.

I might do both, but probably jb weld. Maybe itll be the best thing since the loctite fix

Hey, that's gotta be one thing you didn't copy me with. I didn't knick the pick-up. Bummer :(

Be careful you don't push JB weld through the hole in the tube. Could screw with the pump.

thanks olderguy, its a very small hole fortunately, Ill be very careful.

haha braineack its alright, Ill stop by your house some time nick your pickup and jb weld it. Maybe this will be just how to tell our car aparts if they are ever stolen and stripped

Why I love this forum and not m.net (they are so damn useless)

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=192124

I would think a dab of hot glue would fill the hole and prevent JB from getting in the tube. it's the only thing I can think of that is soft and would just get ground up by the pump or melt.. I can't see it doing any damage for a little tiny bit.

well im gonna play around with the jb weld. Your supposed to let it set a big before applying. Ill let it set a bit longer. I have some tubing i can recreate the hole with and practice.

You'll be fine.

I have a spare in my garage. Pm me your address.

A spare pick up? Can you tell me what its made of?

PS thanks for the post phillip

Hey most of us are on both. it is just that the people on this one are smart enough to run snails and not power robbing blowers.

no no you got it all wrong,people on miata.net only respond to threads if there is a arguement going on,when it comes to helping people yeah right,dream on.

yeah we do love a good argument. most of them are just to bored to care about anything but a good fight that is why i am glad to be young and helpfull. I still keep my eyes open to learn as much as possible in the mean time. just in case there problems becomes my problems in wich case i have seen and heard how it could be fixed and save myself some headache.

Metal? :gay: I don't think it's brass, and it's non magnetic.

I dont know if I would trust JB weld. JB weld doesnt like to stick to things that have oil residue on them. If I was you I would drain all the oil out and spray some kind of cleaner on the pickup so that you get all the oil residue off. Honestly though, I wouldnt trust JB weld when we are talking about your oil supply, that can ruin an engine.

Im actually pretty sure its steel.

I can just throw a bead on it if its steel(which i trust more than jab weld.). Before I jb weld im practicing on a pipe and Ill call FM to see what it is. The question is, does anyone hace a schematic of where to put the ground on the motor so i can weld it. Ideas?

It IS steel- I've used a bunch of them for heater line tubing and oil tubing. If you really want to patch it- then wrap some cotton material on the end of a "stick". Get it soaked with acetone and try to wipe the hole/pipe with it. That should clean it up and get rid of the oil. At that point I would try 3-4 applications of JB weld. Similar to painting- just build it up by layers so you can eventually close the hole. I think the real question you need to ask yourself is WHAT IF it fails? Apparently you're going to lose pressure immediately. And you'll need to be ready for it to happen. It would suck to have it work fine for a few months, you get comfortable with it, forget about it and then it fails.

IF it were me, I'd just suck it up and replace the pickup. I think I've another one in the garage that I will give you. We resealed a friend's oil pan by the following method. Get the car up as high as possible. Chain the engine to the shocktower brace (any kind of bracing from shock tower to tower will work), jackstand under the tranny. Then disconnect everything attached to the subframe (engine, brake lines and whatever else). Drop the subframe on the jack, then pull your pan. It's not nearly as bad as it sounds. Three guys did this one in about four hours. That's nothing compared to what you have invested in the project- even if it took you the weekend. Then you'd never have to think abou the "what if". - rob

ill probably drop you a line in a few weeks for that pick up, I just put the first "coat" of jb weld. i figure ill give it a try, and Im hoping ill notice that im losing pressure (if its not a blow out of the weld).

good luck man, i hope it works for ya.

Remember, it's sucking there, so a patch that won't fall out should hold. Try cleaning the pipe good and run the JB Weld all around so that it won't fall out from vibration. Like a clamp.

Thats what i did. I planted a bead around the hole, let it dry for a bit. Then filled over the middle hole and the bead again (avoid almost all the ealking into the pipe)

Edit: when i said blow out, i meant a complete failure insteadl of a small puncture.

What I meant is run a bead around the diameter of the pipe. That way is the adhesion fails, it will still stay in place.

Oh im not that skilled (dont even know if thats possible) Im doing the repair through the tap hole.

But i realized i didn't drill through the pickup, i tapped through it :( I knew i was careful with the drill, the tap not so much.

Doesn't have to be a nice bead, as long as it goes all the way around.

You mean the hole? Or around the curcumfrance of the pipe?

Circumference of the pipe.

maybe a little different path...cut a portion of the oil pan off to replace the pickup tube or to repair it, have the portion tig'd back on or jb weld it back on. just an idea.

well the jb weld is on (been on for about 12 hours) im gonna start it up tomorrow. Thanks for all your guys help, hopefully this is a perm fix. :ugh2:

:bigtu: good luck!

the shame in all this is nobody will ever be able to actually see your "welding" skills to fully appreciate them ;) I think it'll work fine. As mentioned- you've got the nature of the application on your side- suction pulling on the patch. - rob

Hehe, this type of fix makes me feel like I'm back over on Homemadeturbo.com.

You are a brave man to trust jbweld to one of the most crucial engine systems. I know I'd be pissed... and just be replacing the pickup. Oil = lifeblood... you sir are brave.

At least he's not trying it with silicone :eek4dance

Hey, Loki. I'm getting ready to drill that same hole, and now I'm paranoid. Since you've got the system open right now, could you poke a stick through that hole and tell me exactly how much clearance there is from the outer surface of the pan to the pickup tube?

My advice is to get a bit-stop. It's a collar with set screw- clamp on the bit 1/4" from the tip and you'll be safe. You drill through and then stop at the collar. I'm sure the issue is from pushing on the drill to get through, then when the break through happens, the motor is still spinning and just taps the tube which is VERY thin. The collar will stop this.

Plus if you let the drill bit bit do the work then it shouldn't get pushed in. It will drill easily and it will go at its own pace. I tapped with a socket and it only barely needed to thread the thin wall of the pan. Plus you're going to want to JB Weld to hell out of it so it doesnt need to be too perfect of a tap job.

Joe, I didnt drill the pick up. I tapped it :( (which is why i think the jab weld would hold) and left a weird shape that couldn't be done with a bit.

I found when I tapped my pan that even though I wasn't pushing hard on the drill once the bit broke threw it wanted to grab and pull through. Surprised the hell out of me.

She SUCKS!!! I mean she sucks oil :) Still not idling, starts then dies.

thanks for all the help! now to get her to idle