Originally Posted by Nagase
(Post 1162971)
Or it could be the larger 2560, I believe I have one in my garage.
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1164416)
He didn't change anything other upgrading from a 2560?
LOL @ upgrading to 4" exhaust without first measuring backpressures. |
Sounds like his EFR is broken...
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1164417)
What's a "larger 2560"? |
I'm a bit confused about the data presented in the dyno sheet. The data indicates that the engine is flowing about 43lb/min which is about 20-25% more than is physically possible for the GT2560. Are you sure that this is all right? I mean, either the 2560 is flowing a LOT more than it should be capable of, or alternately there are problems with your dyno and both turbos are doing something funny (ie motor problems). Does that sound possible?
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1164492)
A larger trim compressor or turbine will still be a 2560 but flow more volume than one with smaller trims. But a smaller trim is capable of higher pressure ratios, iirc.
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I've read that there are some goofy OEM Nissan turbos out there with random ass different turbine and compressor trims and housing A/Rs that everyone just calls "2560." Perhaps that's what Six was referring to?
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Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1170525)
I've read that there are some goofy OEM Nissan turbos out there with random ass different turbine and compressor trims and housing A/Rs that everyone just calls "2560." Perhaps that's what Six was referring to?
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Still... some ancient variant of a GT2560 beat the magic EFR in both spool and topend...
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1170706)
Still... some ancient variant of a GT2560 beat the magic EFR in both spool and topend...
Paul did like 300 on a 2560 at god knows what PSI in IIRC NJ (close to sea level I'd imagine?) where Ari did 315 on a 6258 @ 12psi in New Mexico around 4,000 feet. Shit don't add up.
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 1164468)
Sounds like his EFR is broken...
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Broken EFR doesnt explain, DOMINATING the 2560 world record on a low reading dyno.
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Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1170717)
Not just that, IF I'm reading all this correctly a 2560 beating a 6758 @ 20+psi.
Paul did like 300 on a 2560 at god knows what PSI in IIRC NJ (close to sea level I'd imagine?) where Ari did 315 on a 6258 @ 12psi in New Mexico around 4,000 feet. Shit don't add up. I'm about to join Team Luke on this one. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1170726)
Delaware. 14psi.
The highest point in Delaware is 450 feet, so yeah, sea level. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1170706)
Still... some ancient variant of a GT2560 beat the magic EFR in both spool and topend...
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14 psi? Paul did it at 14 PSI? Now that doesn't make sense either. Seems you'd need a LOT more than 14 PSI on a 2560 to get over 300 whp.
This is very confusing. Can't really just ignore it though, right? I've just realized that my post contributes exactly nothing to this thread. feel free to ignore it. |
Its possible with a very well breathing setup and a good tune, both of which Paul's car had.
And to answer the 2560 question: there aren't that many variations, even among the nissans - they just have different comp/turbine housing styles, but the overall wheel dimensions and housing ar's don't vary much. I'm also confused about this comparo, but lets not just start jumping to conclusions yet. |
I'm not saying at all that I believe it, but that details would make things a bit more easy to question properly.
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Savington, nobody is trying to sell any numbers. Only thing I might be selling is EFR, if I cannot figure it out.
Sixshooter, what details can I provide? I bought the Garrett in 2007, used and sold it to current owner, who is very happy with it. He did change the turbine housing to his own, so he can use turbo's own wastegate. The compressor has GARRET A/R 60 M24 1-1 on the casting. The bearing housing has HJ 01 06J 14411-69F00 466541-1 Turbine housing has Garret 2 turbine inled flange is 72 mm x 45 mm with holes for 10 mm studs. T25. EFR was bought new from AWE tuning, 0.64 a/r, Borg and Warner 179388 Compressor Specifications Compressor Type: Forged-Milled Wheel (FMW) Extended Tip [b]Compressor Wheel OD (exducer): 67mm Compressor Wheel Inducer: 53.9mm Max Flow Rate: 53 lb/min Built-in BOV: All EFR compressor housings incorporate an integrated BOV. Compressor Housing: 2.5" inlet, 2.0" hose coupler outlet Turbine Specifications Turbine type: Low Inertia Gamma-Ti Turbine Wheel Turbine Wheel OD: 58mm Stainless Steel Sand cast Housing 0.64 A/R T25 Undivided (Internal WG) - Part # 179388 Turbine outlet: GT-Vband (aka small 3" vband) ~92mm OD for all EFR turbos I am still catching up from the Dragon Hillclimb at home and at work, came second overall behind 911 GT3 RSR in field of ~70 cars. The car works, not just as well as I was expecting. Current setup has giant 4" exhaust with Dynomax muffler, with very little backpressure. It has Flipside intake manifold with Qe 90mm throttlebody, 38 mm Tial wastegate. and it makes less power than motor did with Garrett, 3" exhaust, stock, port matched 99 intake. Same 750 cc injectors are 80% duty cycle at 22 psi. I will look into it once I get caught up. I will look for compression, cam timing (VVT logs looked strange). There are many places which can be off enough to drop 10-20% to end up at low 300 instead of high 300 hp. Eventually I will catch it, or look into 2jZ GTE! |
its it possible that intake manifold is garbage?
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if that's JayL's intake manifold, it made upwards of 400 pretty sure its not choking
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