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Godless Commie 12-18-2018 12:21 PM

Godless Commie's ungodly turbo project - R2S Progressive Twin Turbo
 
For the record, this is the build thread for the R2S Turbo system discussed in detail here:

Research stage discussions

Here's what I intended to fit under the hood:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...96d54e6a13.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...48fe0a3c16.jpg

A progressive system made by BorgWarner, primarily intended for diesel applications.
However, I soon found out that BW itself is actually looking into gasoline engine applications, and has even formed a department for R&D.
That encouraged me, and I contacted the chief engineer in charge of that department. He was pretty interested in what I wanted to do, and helped me a great deal.

This project, for the record, is a first of its kind. Meaning, no other idiot (other than yours truly) has even bothered to attempt utilizing this thing in a gasoline (or diesel) powered engine.

To quickly recap my installation strategy, I had decided on the following:
  • Custom manifold and downpipe would be fabbed
  • All actuators would be vacuum controlled
    • Vacuum circuits, a reservoir, solenoids and programmable outputs would have to be figured out
    • I would have to come up with a strategy to run the turbos in a seamless manner (tall order)
    • Since I would be using ALL available programmable outputs for the turbos, I would have to come up with a way to trigger my electric power steering and other stuff.
  • Make room in the engine bay to fit this thing and all its ancillary components
    • Oil feed and drain lines, WG cooling, CAI, etc. all had to fit.
  • With two turbos in a confined space, I would need extensive heat management and insulation.
  • Tune the engine while increasing boost in very small steps
  • Profit.

So I started...

Scaxx 12-18-2018 12:25 PM

Looking forward to what you come up with

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 12:40 PM

First order of business was figuring out the vacuum controls..

(I promised Joe I would post all the stupid mistakes I made, so I am not holding anything back here..)

A little backstory:

This system has a total of three vacuum controlled actuators:
  • A "gate" between the two turbos to facilitate transition - HP - LP bypass (or turbine bypass in BWspeak)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d22b0992d0.jpg


That's the actuator on the far right in this pic (AKA "big boy")

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cf9476bf27.jpg
  • A valve that stops compound boost and allows the LP turbo to provide boost in the traditional sense - LP Bypass, or Compressor Bypass
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7ab8603847.jpg
  • An internal wastegate.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...27e866802d.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...833e5c2129.jpg


The small turbo (KP39) spools instantly and provides boost as low as 1000 RPM.
All incoming air is fed through the larger turbo (K04), it spins and provides support for the HP turbo by means of compound boost until it takes over.
The wastegate is funky.. It needs to be open below the 100 kPa level to provide fuel economy. I was told the HP turbo freewheels when the IWG is open and scavenges the exhaust, and that helps the engine efficiency a lot.

matrussell122 12-18-2018 12:43 PM

Cool. This sounds interesting. Glad to see it start happening.

glade 12-18-2018 01:04 PM

Yuuuuuuusss

y8s 12-18-2018 01:37 PM

I'm in for $5 toward the resulting dyno run.

Here is a Borg warner by the name of 7 of 9:


Godless Commie 12-18-2018 01:57 PM

I got some solenoids and started to look for a safe place to install them - no point in cooking stuff under the hood.

This area tucked in the left fender seemed like the best spot...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7f652e0b9e.jpg


Decorating the panel with solenoids..

(Never mind the MAC valve, I had to ultimately relocate it to an even cooler spot)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...89de74e472.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...20ee394200.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...db0d22650c.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...eef91388f0.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 02:10 PM

I also made a manifold for vacuum distribution, using some aluminum stock..

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8639855d1b.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...975c1c79eb.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 02:27 PM

OK, this thing is vacuum controlled. That much is clear.
A turbo gasoline engine has no vacuum under boost. It has boost.
Diesels are a different story, they have vacuum pumps, and do not care if they produce boost or not.

I need vacuum, so I guess I will make myself a vacuum reservoir...


Take two 20 Cm stainless steel Ikea salad bowls..

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5b074102c7.jpg


Drill 2 holes in one, install vacuum ports.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2deff3dd14.jpg


Gives you 4.2 liters of vacuum volume!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2a4ad7c00b.jpg

Attempt to weld them together, make a big mess, and run over to Iskender (grand master of welding and fabbing exquisite exhaust systems).
Iskender welds it up while I enjoy my tea...

Re-invent Sputnik in the process...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cfb35e7c60.jpg


Fits nicely under the left headlight, behind the bumper.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...67f3bced98.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...52ffba6884.jpg

More on this...



Godless Commie 12-18-2018 02:45 PM

Since I would be operating some pretty important stuff with vacuum while the engine was making boost, I began worrying about running out of vacuum.
I mean, what if I was on the gas for quite a while, like going uphill under boost for extended periods, operating actuators all the while, and using up all the vacuum?
That's why I decided I should incorporate a vacuum pump in the system, and program its power source so that it would come on when vacuum was depleted to 60 kPa, and would cut off at 40 kPa.
(I tested the actuators to see their minimum vacuum requirements)


Here's that vacuum pump, testing the system before installation.
It went just to to right of the left headlight, in front of the radiator, in a "cool" spot.
Do not let the size fool you, damn thing draws vacuum down to 40 kPa pretty fast.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2c47a3a365.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f2fe6b07ea.jpg

That was good insurance.

And then, I just wanted to see how many times my 4.2 liter vacuum reservoir would operate an actuator before it ran out of breath.
Turns out, it had enough (with 30 kPa engine vacuum) to do 30 full strokes. That should be enough without any additional pump, but hey, the pump gives me a piece of mind.

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 02:55 PM

Speaking of using programmable MS outputs to control the solenoids, Dimitris told me I could use an NPN transistor to convert any unused IGN output to lowside.
A friend suggested I could use a VW/Audi ignition control module, and just hook up the outputs from MS to it.
The module has very sturdy transistors in it, and I would get lowside outputs to run pretty much whatever I need within reason then.
In other words, I would not have to worry about the load a solenoid would impart on the output.

Neat.

Here's the ignition control module:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...85443d1565.jpg

I installed that module on the backside of the solenoid panel...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...584ace6644.jpg


Which turned out to be a total failure...

Turns out, while the transistors in the module does indeed convert a "+" signal to "-", it does that momentarily. Like firing an ignition coil. Just a trigger.
I needed the damn thing to stay put, and be there as long as the conditions required a signal to be present.

It was a noble idea, I just wrote it off to R&D expenses...

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:08 PM

So, instead of some ignition module, I decided I should use an NPN transistor like Dimitris suggested, but further isolate my MS from any load/mishap by utilizing an optocoupler, as well.
Half this project is paranoia, I swear.

Here's what I did.

I made an aluminum heat sink for the transistor, and secured the said transistor with a RIVET! (Gotta be a first)
Configured the optocoupler for lowside, closed the lid, and I was done.






The optocoupler draws 40 mAh. That's pretty much neglectable...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...33b41395d1.jpg



You can clearly see the flyback diode on the lower left corner in this pic..

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...057f931bf1.jpg

I liked it so much, I used optocouplers on all outputs.
Better than a relay.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8fa216b400.jpg


I even used one on the warning lamp circuit of the alternator to trigger my electric power steering pump. (I have a custom 140 Amp alternator, and it has a conventional lamp circuit.)
That way, the big pump comes on only when the alternator starts charging after the engine is running.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...38b1f73e25.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e349cb98f.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:28 PM

I have read a ton of turbo build threads on this forum, and a lot of them either talk about heat management, or share horrible stories of heat damage.
An exhaust manifold is a major heat source. So is a turbocharger.
And, there are 2 of them!

İmages of melting master cylinders, hoses, my feet.. Pretty disturbing stuff.

Guess what.. The bestest, most expensive insulation stuff on earth has air trapped in it. Air.
What if I used air to deal with heat under the car then?


The idea is simple: Make a second trans tunnel. Make it light. Make it a bit smaller than the actual tunnel itself, so you will have air between the the two.

Allrighty then...

Remove engine and transmission, take some 15 mm aluminum strips and knock out a smaller version of the tunnel, leaving about a 10 mm gap...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...09620bd4fd.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cf9bef9f3e.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8023a838d5.jpg

Once you have the desired form, trim the excess strips, tie it all together.
I used rivets for this job, makes life much easier.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e9bdd00483.jpg


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b42e868e78.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4c8b9b6095.jpg





huesmann 12-18-2018 03:30 PM

Sir, you are nuts.

I love it.

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:38 PM

Removed the frame and started covering it.
I used 0.30 mm textured aluminum for that. Pretty lightweight stuff.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...395bc33b26.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...48f6416447.jpg

I riveted the aluminum sheet in sections, taking great care not to distort the frame.
As careful as I was, there was a bit of distortion which gave some problems during the installation, but liberal use of harsh language came in pretty handy.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0ad98a1c19.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...90fa72b555.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...513fc0b22f.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8d8469b8d3.jpg

Nice and shiny, but not for long...



Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:42 PM

I shot 2 layers of grey undercoating on the backside for further insulation and to prevent any buzz/rattling and associated shenanigans...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0aee32001f.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3a88f21287.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:44 PM

And, I used rivnuts to install the thing in the tunnel. Made my life easier.
Stainless M6 studs in the rivnuts, then stainless nuts..
(A total of 12 mounting points)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...509a5dab66.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...64a7515b86.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:49 PM

This is the stuff I used.
I bought 2 1 meter by 2 meter sheets and used the rest on pretty much everywhere.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...73a1595bf3.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f0e4346a69.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 03:56 PM

I went ahead and undercoated the bottom of the car while I was at it.
Grey turned out to be an excellent choice. I can see everything while I am working under the car.
And, leaving the trans side of the tunnel I installed uncoated gave me a great shiny surface.
Working on the transmission is much easier now. It's not a black hole anymore.

I have no pictures of the seemingly endless cleaning before I shot the undercoating. Hours of pressure washing and scrubbing, dirt, mud, road remnants running down my arms, crap all over the garage...
Yeah, I wasn't thinking about taking pictures then.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...927e228cd4.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e80e99b94.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 04:16 PM

This is what I waited for for four months...
There is one person I would trust with my project in all of Turkey, and he is an incredibly busy man.
Iskender builds exotic exhaust systems for some very very high end cars, people bring brand new Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Aston Martins, etc straight from the dealer for custom exhaust work.
He is a cool guy, and I know him well.
I went to him to see if he could build me the necessary components a couple days after I received this turbo system, and he told me to bring the car right away.
Knowing his workload, I knew it would take a while.
So, no complaints...
(For the record, he charged me for materials only. What I paid him is nothing compared to what he charges his normal customers...)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...251dd4a500.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...482bee3c08.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0333424ffa.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 05:20 PM

I brought the car back to the garage and removed everything...

You need to get creative when working alone...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2bc07d3be4.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cb6371997a.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...42c1af06a2.jpg


Took the turbos apart (again) to really familiarize myself with its entrails...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5873e3a3ea.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0d59a11bb5.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 05:32 PM

I wanted to get the oil return out of the way first.
AN fittings turned out to be cost prohibitive. (Turkish Lira took another swan dive against the Dollar.. Everything is expensive now with the 5.5 to 1 exchange rate)

Anyway.. Considered plumbing fittings, but they proved to be too bulky...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...309babb86c.jpg

So, I took a deep breath and went at it anyway.
The hell with it, I said. I can get it patched up if I fcuk it up I said...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fdd8e99f50.jpg

I sourced some 19 (or 21?) mm ID aluminum pipe, cut it to size and had them welded.
The hose is pretty flexible, is rated for elevated temps, and worked very well.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e0c351d02.jpg

Both oil drain ports are within about 5 degrees of perpendicular.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8652140523.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7a0fa6d6b8.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6c37153849.jpg

I believe the ID is large enough to allow drainage...

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 05:44 PM

Since I had such a "cantilevered" setup, I did not want the weight of the turbo to yank the manifold studs out of the head, so I decided I should have an adjustable support system to take up the load.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4acced4319.jpg

I used M10 stainless threaded rods with LH and RH threaded adapters so I could adjust the compression.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...87322da1aa.jpg

Bolt holes in the block came in handy.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...64ca971978.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9ae9e0e245.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...183b79fcd2.jpg

I took the pics during mock up.
Everything was cleaned up and painted before final assembly.


There is one drawback to installing all this stuff here: I'll never be able to install AC on this car.
Oh well.

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 06:03 PM

With the oil return all taken care of, it was time for oil feed lines.
Couple friends suggested I should route the lines around the back of the block, while some insisted they should be routed around the front.
They all had their reasons, of course.

I went with neither advice.

My oil lines are routed THROUGH the engine.
There is a "tunnel" right behind the timing belt rear cover, that's the tunnel I used.
All I had to do was drill a couple holes on my sandwich plate, tap them for the custom hoses I had a hydraulic shop make for me, and the rest was easy...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6a644afb3a.jpg

Same hoses, with the alternator in place.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e40158c7b8.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ccffd9c514.jpg

The ends have banjo fittings and no restrictor.
Turns out these turbos have their built in restrictors in their respective oil inlet ports.
The chief engineer at BW confirmed this for me.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a7c3f11883.jpg

I used heat sleeves on every hose.
These are rated for 1500 C - or so I'm told.
They will be OK even if the manufacturer is exaggerating their rating by 50%.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5f6a0d185d.jpg

Oh, I also routed the coolant line for the wastegate this way, too.

Going through the engine meant less clutter and using shorter hoses, but doing any kind of work under the intake manifold is a royal pain now.
Removing the alternator requires a whole new procedure, for example...

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 06:21 PM

On a side note, I took a breather and replaced the rear deck carpeting @gesso brought for me all the way from California.
I really need to thank @Garman, @gesso and @sixshooter for their generosity, effort and all around camaraderie for this.
My rear deck carpet had a big hole in it (it's an age thing, things wear out in time) and it looks pretty spiffy now.

Did some surface rust removal and touch up paint while I was there...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d36dc4a958.jpg

To my horror, I discovered rust when I was removing the seats...
So I tore them apart and had all the metal media blasted and powdercoated.
I hate rust.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...60d3ac3e75.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b3b46114c0.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a03226cb66.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3fef633381.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7244efc8d4.jpg

After media blasting and powdercoating...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ced85fbc34.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5eaa7324b3.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ef8ea02967.jpg

Wait.. This is supposed to be a turbo build thread.

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 06:24 PM

It has been 50 weeks since I started this project, and I have about 400+ pictures.
Sorting through all hat stuff takes a while. I have been sitting by he computer for several hours now, and I need to take a break...

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 07:22 PM

Where was I?
Oh, heat management/insulation stuff...

I went nuts with it.
Made heat shields to cover all exposed surfaces

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ba80ee8f8f.jpg

Covered all the hoses with fiberglass insulation and wrapped them in aluminum tape...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7d8c319dc8.jpg

And fabbed a heat shield to protect master cylinders and stuff.
That shield has ceramic wool sandwiched between 1 mm aluminum sheet and that .30 mm textured stuff I really like using.
Unfortunately, I had to junk it. Did not work.
I made quite a few pieces like this one, they all ended up in the trash...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dcbb69b20d.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 07:29 PM

I had this great idea...

I would encapsulate the turbos and the manifold in an insulated heat shield.

There is an opening between the bottom of the radiator and the belly pan. It is roughly 25" x 2".
I would make a scoop there to collect the air rushing under the radiator, route it up and blow it into the heat shield encapsulating the turbos.
The hot air would then be diverted into the (now well insulated) trans tunnel and away from the car.

The idea seemed very cool, so I started on it...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c1bf7c2de9.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a88f405433.jpg

I roughed it out using cardboard...


Godless Commie 12-18-2018 07:38 PM

A foam core mock up was next..

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a9a8cbc0af.jpg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ec35744130.jpg


... followed by aluminum sheet.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...606798f61b.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...18062fbf82.jpg

This would be a three layer shield, too. Two layers of .30 mm aluminum, with ceramic wool in between.
Ceramic wool is an amazing insulator, btw.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...21ad06838e.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c6899f094d.jpg

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 07:42 PM

Attachment point for the heat shield.
It would have welded studs pointing up to secure the heat shield.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0ce9f8d75a.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9f58d99965.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fe7ad45740.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...80727da5ef.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...eee80a7811.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4c0887e291.jpg


I was just about to install the whole thing when I had an epiphany and changed my mind.
​​​​​​​That setup went to the trash, as well.

Godless Commie 12-18-2018 08:05 PM

I decided covering up the heat source wold ultimately trap the heat, and went another direction...

I would cut the hood and make an active vent system!
Because this project was nowhere near complicated enough!
Because I was facing a credible risk of finishing the damn project before the year's end if I had stuck with my original plan!
Because I somehow found pleasure in making things more challenging for no apparent reason.

So I happily proceeded to design an active system.
I mean, what's wrong with just a fixed louver vent? Nooo, gotta be active. Jeez.

*****

That thing went through several design stages, several incarnations, several prototypes.
Many camels were smoked, many pots of tea was consumed in the process...

This was the first draft outline...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8b7c437a35.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0cc81613eb.jpg

Next step would be a plaster mold of the hood, because it has curves.
A flat vent frame would distort the hood and ruin he car, so here we go...
(The entire hood as well as fenders are covered in thick, clear plastic film at this point.)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9bd824dc89.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a591a9dceb.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7c0edee344.jpg

The mold gave me all the curves of the hood, and I proceeded to make a foam core prototype accordingly.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7ec37129d1.jpg

This frame would not distort the hood, that's for sure...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bae4d5e9bd.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...75c30c577c.jpg


Turned out it was pretty impractical for an active setup, because the louvers would never be parallel to each other.
I mean, I had selected the shape and the location meticulously, pouring over pressure maps, forum posts, youtube videos and whathaveyou...

Time to start all over.



Mudflap 12-19-2018 01:16 AM

Bananas

TurboTim 12-19-2018 08:12 AM

Subscribed to the most epic build ever.

I have never heard of an optocoupler. Looks like the relay stuffs I've been using for arduino things. Maybe the chinese call it a relay so people like me know it's function.

How do you retighten the nuts inside Sputnik when they get loose? Or did you just tighten them a lot and loctite them?

Ted75zcar 12-19-2018 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1515660)
Subscribed to the most epic build ever.

I have never heard of an optocoupler. Looks like the relay stuffs I've been using for arduino things. Maybe the chinese call it a relay so people like me know it's function.

How do you retighten the nuts inside Sputnik when they get loose? Or did you just tighten them a lot and loctite them?

speaking from experience, loctite everything. The amount of hardware I have heard clunk off the undercarriage is embarrassing. For the first several weeks on the road I had to do a regular hardware inspection.

An optocoupler is a common electronic component used to isolate a signal from the input side to the output side. It allows you to control stuff without actually connecting to it electrically.

sixshooter 12-19-2018 09:37 AM

The more I read the more my mouth hung open. You spent too much time on that junkyard wars TV show. Your idea of normal construction is obviously skewed now, lol.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1515687)
The more I read the more my mouth hung open. You spent too much time on that junkyard wars TV show. Your idea of normal construction is obviously skewed now, lol.

Wait! There is more...

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:18 AM

Kept trying different designs, attachment styles, shapes...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f56b3e628a.jpg


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ea66ae3faf.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8d62a0627f.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3d6bb05b9c.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ac09a07150.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7fe909ad08.jpg

Chucked them all.

The only cost was time at this point, and I had time.
A couple friends - industrial designers by trade - volunteered to help me at that point.
We fired up some 3D programs and went at it full speed...




Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:21 AM

More plaster molds of the hood...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c0576ff147.jpg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a26f4594e5.jpg


This one proved to be very useful, and I used it as my master mold...

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:36 AM

I had thought of a trick for this mold..
It would give me a raised area for the area to be cut on the hood, so I could "wrap" the frame around it to give it the proper curvatures.
This one worked.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cc7597a354.jpg

Had another prototype cut out of cardboard.
I was planning on using 1.5 mm steel for the whole thing, so we had this cut from 1.5 mm cardboard.
The result was very satisfactory.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9d9fb2ffbd.jpg

Please note the first slat, it sits at 90 degrees, while the others are at 45.
The reason behind this configuration is allowing the air to tumble over the upright slat, creating more of a low pressure zone over the rest of the louvers.
Science.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...96200072f8.jpg

And they all close flat 3 minutes after I turn off the engine, once most of the heat rises away.
I have already built an override switch inside the center console.
That way, the louvers will not get stuck and bind if there is ice or snow on the hood. I can turn it off if I have to.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c57b610e78.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...109d14308d.jpg



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...47e01ef280.jpg


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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c05327fcf3.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d844a61254.jpg

Feeling content with the result, it was time to fab the thing out of metal.
We decided it should be body color for a number of reasons: Attracting less attention was a factor, but aesthetics was the ultimate motivation in that decision.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:55 AM

With the air exit all figured out, I turned my attention to the air entering the engine bay.
I had installed a bunch of air diverters that channeled the incoming air through the radiator a few years ago, but they were ABS plastic, and had all turned pretty janky over time.
Some were cracked, a couple were broken all the way.

I thought nothing would be better than polycarbonate, and used a 2.3 mm sheet to replicate and replace them.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...10ed029457.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6eb58b4dba.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ae5d246a4f.jpg


Also, there was a 2" opening between the radiator and the aluminum flat belly pan I had made about a year ago.
Now that I had discarded the idea of fabbing a scoop there, I decided I should make another diverter (fixed on the belly pan) to direct all the air to the radiator.

Took some measurements..

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ffb4b6ce7d.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8226851160.jpg


And bent it out of 1.5 mm aluminum.

A rubber mallet produces excellent results, and I can get the angles just right.
(I do not have room for a metal brake, and I don't bend stuff often, so this method works for me)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...534f287fce.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...48e2818409.jpg


I used rivets to install it on the belly pan, works like a charm.

It can be (barely) seen below the radiator in this photo:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...953160ecb4.jpg






Godless Commie 12-19-2018 10:57 AM

All that work made me pretty hungry, too.
Late night snack...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...099c3e6f2b.jpg

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:03 AM

I needed all the room I could create to fit everything, and I had trouble routing the intake piping from the air cleaner to the turbo.
Plus, the recirculating BOV would have to be plumbed into that piping, as well.
The solution was not simple.
I had the radiator re-cored. (It had a couple leaks, anyway) It had a 32 Cm core, new core is 30 Cm tall.
2 Cm difference meant a lot.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a1ee0e8af6.jpg

The fans still fit perfectly.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:09 AM

The now shorter radiator presented a problem:
The upper radiator shield no longer fit properly.

I just had to make a new one.

A dead battery makes an excellent dead weight while cutting metal.
My tool may not be shielded, but I wear goggles (and a face shield if I am not smoking at the time)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...518f734b83.jpg

I may or may not paint it black, haven't decided yet.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...64f461d1d0.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3ca9f06b2c.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a4fec6ed3d.jpg

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:20 AM

Meanwhile, the fact that the wastegate was sitting too close to the turbine housing made me pretty uncomfortable.
I know it is a "hot" component, but there's no point in cooking the thing..

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...46ec06a5df.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b32ff9a71e.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2a40f14810.jpg

I made a nice insulated heat shield for it, and then plumbed cooling lines per @TurboTim's suggestion.

You can barely see the heat shield under the WG in this photo..

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8246a9c224.jpg

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:24 AM

Took the car out, cleaned and washed the vacant engine bay before I repainted all the scratched surfaces.
All that trial fit, installing and removing the turbo, DP and whatnot took its toll in there.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9d2116bffd.jpg

Edit:

I found an after photo:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6670933aa1.jpg

Mudflap 12-19-2018 11:29 AM

Looks exactly like mine (color, ABS, etc). Is that an MSM? What is the large tube looking thing on the bottom left of the photo?

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:32 AM

More on heat management...

The downpipe runs pretty close to the gearbox.
I wanted to protect that from the heat, too, so I came up with this:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b5bc2c161c.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9c53285a62.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...80d7eb0141.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f28533a9ff.jpg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bf77caf842.jpg

I used this really cool, closed cell insulation stuff I had in the garage.
It's a peel and stick type sheet insulation that can take some pretty high temps.
Using 0.30 mm aluminum on the sticky side gave me extra weather protection, and a really shiny surface to reflect heat.

I riveted some straps, cut a couple of large clamps, and wrapped it around the gearbox.
Worked like a charm

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Mudflap (Post 1515721)
Looks exactly like mine (color, ABS, etc). Is that an MSM? What is the large tube looking thing on the bottom left of the photo?

It's not an MSM, but came with ABS, 15" wheels, a hardtop and Torsen.
I guess option packages on this side of the planet are different.

As for the large tube looking thing, it is my electric PS pump.

Details here...

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:50 AM

It was time to install the engine and gearbox back in the car to finish all the electrical work...


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ff057f4547.jpg

I wanted to see the engine running for the first time with the turbos.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...afa660e850.jpg

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 11:56 AM

Well, this happened...



You can hear it clearly here:



And, this turned out to be the culprit.




Damn.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 12:12 PM

Damn...

I removed the engine, tore it apart, and ran to the machine shop with it.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2495452e4e.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2e1e637754.jpg

Turns out, it was a minor blessing in disguise. We discovered scratches on the crank and decided to machine it.
Which meant sourcing .25 over bearings with short notice, among other parts.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7ceacf5e82.jpg

Here are the offending wrist pin bushings..

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...eaf2a1bbe6.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2df11ae927.jpg


And the crank, waiting to be machined...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d1a38efa01.jpg

I was pretty lucky.
The machine shop had the proper bushings on hand.
I was able to find OEM bearings locally.
Looked like we would not be able to find rings, and a custom fabricator agreed to make them. The catch was, their rings would be 1.2 mm thick. Je pistons use 1.00 mm rings.
I called JE, they told me it would not be a problem at all to enlarge the ring grooves by 0.2 mm. Placed the order, and custom rings were made.

I got the necessary gaskets and stuff from Mazda, they gave me an excellent deal...

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 12:18 PM

Well, turns out they gave me the wrong pan gasket...
This is what happened as soon as I was done torquing the pan bolts:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...93446f5180.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a153c1e33d.jpg

To be fair, they were very understanding.
Parts manager apologized and exchanged that now mangled gasket with a new one.
Rest of the engine build went pretty uneventful.
Somber, but uneventful nonetheless.





Godless Commie 12-19-2018 12:36 PM

I had a metric ton of electrical work to do while the engine was at the machine shop..
All the new solenoids had to be wired in, all defunct wiring had to be cleaned up.
Yes, ECU location is under the passenger floor mat in European NBs.

Frankly, I had an embarrassing mess down there. I had installed and removed countless pieces of gizmos over the years, and never seemed to have the time to properly remove their associated wiring when I uninstalled them.
I had bundles of wires going nowhere...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d74bbd575.jpeg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d25328404f.jpg

Working methodically, I did a thorough cleaning, installed new wiring, and took detailed notes this time.
I also bought about 10 pairs of various weatherproof plugs with pigtails, and made all additions/extensions to the ECU much easier to deal with.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2022a49f47.jpg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...534817513d.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6840b2176e.jpg

This is about a week's work.
Not pictured is a massive bundle of wire, sheathing and funky connectors which just acted as ballast in the car.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5e266a62d3.jpg

Yeah, I get hungry...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8ca27b837b.jpg

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 12:44 PM

Proceeded to make a new cold air chamber for the air filter.
Had this brilliant idea to install my EBC solenoid, relay for the vacuum pump, and the second MAP sensor in there, too.
(more on that "second MAP sensor" later)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...033f040540.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...39baec0e4d.jpg

This one is insulated with ceramic wool, too.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 12:52 PM

Inner tie rod boots needed some TLC...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3579a8c772.jpg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3fca1bc4eb.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...215a5201c2.jpg

DNMakinson 12-19-2018 12:55 PM

Yes, definitely want to put EBC solenoid in the cold air box. Some day I'll get around to building one. I like the way you enclosed the top of yours. It's not like the filter needs servicing a lot.

Jelly that you don't have to fight the ECU located between brake and clutch like USA.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 01:01 PM

Again, on an unrelated note, this is how I do maintenance on the water injection nozzles...

I remove them maybe two - three times a year, and give them a good ultrasonic cleaning. This ensures clog free operation.
I had a nozzle clog on me in the past, and the car acts very funny because a clogged nozzle just drips and causes very strange low rpm / tip in hesitation.

It was a good time to clean them before the engine went in the car.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dba7db0fab.jpg


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Godless Commie 12-19-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1515660)
Subscribed to the most epic build ever.

I have never heard of an optocoupler. Looks like the relay stuffs I've been using for arduino things. Maybe the chinese call it a relay so people like me know it's function.

How do you retighten the nuts inside Sputnik when they get loose? Or did you just tighten them a lot and loctite them?

An optical sensor detects the presence of voltage on a circuit and closes the circuit on a separate one to trigger a relay.
The relay could be fed by a third circuit to make this scenario even more ridiculous..

As for the nipples on the canister, they have 1/8 NPT thread.
I have never had conical threads go loose on me before. You tighten them, and they stay that way.
Oh, I made sure they were TIGHT.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 05:21 PM

Even though I was going to have a large hood vent right above the hot parts, I still wanted to protect the master cylinders and electrical parts.
I have all my control solenoids, and the stepper motor for my active suspension system there.
A heat shield needed to be designed and made, but there was an unexpected obstacle...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0ebb367b58.jpg

See that brake line coming from the master cylinder?
Damn thing was protruding too much.
(The photo is misleading, because I was not right above the brake line when I took it.)
It was occupying the same plane with the wastegate to DP connection.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...222293cb7f.jpg


I removed the brake line, put in a piece of sturdy copper wire to figure out the best shape and minimum bends that would give me enough room.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...57027d384b.jpg



No dice...
There was no way a brake line could be bent that close to the nut.
I said the hell with it, and had a flexible line made with banjo fittings.
I mean, brake fluid is dumb. It can't tell a flexible line from a steel pipe, right?


Look carefully, you can see it coming out of the front of the MC.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a34f53f860.jpg


I win. period.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bf83d7da78.jpg

There's even an anti-rattle device on the heat shield.
Or, I just stuck a piece of insulation on the aluminum to keep it from buzzing.

Godless Commie 12-19-2018 05:39 PM

Let's pause for a moment to admire the glorious engine mounts I made...

Shore 57A polyurethane bushings, hand cast by yours truly.
Painted red, because why not...
Grade 12.9 hardware, because I am paranoid.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ab3f46cf99.jpg


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...360f73875e.jpg


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