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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 10:37 PM
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I know everyone hates on eBay turbo kits and i understand why but I’m definitely on a budget but would be willing to save more if it was definitely worth it. Can anyone give me some steps to bring to take to turbo a stock 1997 mx5 Miata. If i could get to 200+ hp I’d be super happy with that. Would a cheap kit like this be any good? And yes i have done my research and I’ve seen where these can be ran reliably especially on low boost. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F263885536187
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Originally Posted by LownSlow420
I know everyone hates on eBay turbo kits and i understand why but I’m definitely on a budget but would be willing to save more if it was definitely worth it. Can anyone give me some steps to bring to take to turbo a stock 1997 mx5 Miata. If i could get to 200+ hp I’d be super happy with that. Would a cheap kit like this be any good? And yes i have done my research and I’ve seen where these can be ran reliably especially on low boost. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F263885536187
No, no you haven't.
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Must have for super budget:
1. ebay cast iron manifold: 100$~
2. wideband + ecu: 800-1000$
3. TD04 turbo 200$~
4. IC + piping 200$~
5. custom down pipe 400$~
6. air filter, turbo oil and water lines, bov 200$~
7. installation + oil pan drill for turbo oil return ???$
8. tune (!!)

Under 200whp you don't need a clutch and not even injectors - you can see how dangerous you run them via the "duty cycle" on the ecu (85% max is default normal)

"stage 2" must have:
- injectors
- clutch
- exhaust - 2.5"-3"
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200whp required injectors for my 96. It also required a clutch.

If you can't afford those maybe you should wait until you are promoted to Senior Burger Flipper before continuing.
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There are even cheap ECU options now for budget builds. Can get a Speeduino PnP unit for a 1.6 for under $275. The non plug and play one (needed for later cars) is even a bit cheaper.

No excuse to run junk piggy backs anymore, even on "budget" builds.
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How come he’s not getting roasted???
I’ve asked a far fairer question and got lit up, I guess the vets are in a good mood...
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Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_
How come he’s not getting roasted???
I’ve asked a far fairer question and got lit up, I guess the vets are in a good mood...
He posted late at night. All the old guys are still sleeping.
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Originally Posted by Jacobmx5_
How come he’s not getting roasted???
I’ve asked a far fairer question and got lit up, I guess the vets are in a good mood...
You kids get off my lawn!
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I can't wait for this to turn out like the "my piggyback setup is running lean" thread
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I'll divulge all the greatest moar power secrets if you buy the voodoobox in the FS section!
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
200whp required injectors for my 96. It also required a clutch.

If you can't afford those maybe you should wait until you are promoted to Senior Burger Flipper before continuing.
You can run a little under 200whp and keep the stock clutch and injectors (probably on very high duty- 100%?).

180whp setups keep the stock inj and clutch - very fun car still.
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The name. Lownslo420, tells us all we need to know.
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Originally Posted by elior77
You can run a little under 200whp and keep the stock clutch and injectors (probably on very high duty- 100%?).

180whp setups keep the stock inj and clutch - very fun car still.
It's all about torque...
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Originally Posted by elior77
You can run a little under 200whp and keep the stock clutch and injectors (probably on very high duty- 100%?).

180whp setups keep the stock inj and clutch - very fun car still.
No. No you can't.

Above 85% duty cycle is effectively always open so it isn't adding more fuel at that point, just getting leaner. They are EV1 injectors, after all, and have very slow opening and closing times. You would need to significantly increase the fuel pressure on an NA from its 43psi standard to flow enough for much of any boost and wouldn't have headroom for fluctuations in requirements due to cooler weather or a boost spike.

Please don't recommend foolish actions to noobs here.

EDIT: Finally made it to a computer. According to the fuel injection calculator the NA8 265cc injector is good for 171 crank HP at 85% DC, or about 150whp. That's with a boost referenced fuel rail starting at 43.5psi. 150 is not 200 unless you are using the European style of horsepower measurement where everything is inflated by huge %%%.

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Originally Posted by elior77
You can run a little under 200whp and keep the stock clutch and injectors (probably on very high duty- 100%?).

180whp setups keep the stock inj and clutch - very fun car still.
In 2007 I was running a 2554. The stock clutch died somewhere between 4.5 and 7 psi. The stock injectors ran out of fuel about that boost level also.
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FM kit (the one with the voodoo box) retain the stock injectors and boost around 5psi~
My stock clutch and the same on other cars I tuned - could hold about 10psi (200whp) before slipping.



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