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nufi 09-05-2009 10:05 PM

Miata 1.6 + GT28RS BB ??
 
Hello.

I'm new on this forum, and my english is very bad :facepalm:

So, i have a 1.6 miata turbo with this setup:

-Megasquirt Pnp ECU
-430cc Supra Bi-turbo Injectors
-KnockSenseMS
-Dyn Dual Feed Rail
-AEM Wideband
-Complete XTD Racing clutch kit & light flywheel
-Wiseco Turbo pistons 8:5
-ARP Head Studs
-Forged Connecting Rods
-Mazda 323 Turbo PCV Valve
-Intercooler

Now i buy a new turbo:

TURBO GT28RS BALL BEARING
0.60 A/R
TURBINE: .86 A/R
TRIM: 60


I liked your opnion about this configuration

Best regards

18psi 09-05-2009 10:07 PM

Opinion on what?
And what are you looking to accomplish with the car? Drag? Road race? Street car?

Because that is a fairly large turbo for a 1.6, and if you're looking for quick spool or good midrange you might want to look into something smaller.

Savington 09-05-2009 10:14 PM

I've driven that exact setup, down to the turbine A/R. That turbo is too big for a 1.6, IMO. You want to be looking at a 2560R, or a built 1.8 motor.

nufi 09-05-2009 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 451035)
I've driven that exact setup, down to the turbine A/R. That turbo is too big for a 1.6, IMO. You want to be looking at a 2560R, or a built 1.8 motor.

How too big ? How the turbo spool ?

Savington 09-05-2009 10:27 PM

The turbo spool was pretty bad, worse than I would want to live with on the street or the track. My 2871R with the same .86 A/R turbine housing on my built 1.9 liter spools much faster. The 2860RS on the 1.6 wouldn't kick hard until after 4500rpm, and there was a serious lag in power after every shift as well. Simply too big for the motor. My 2871R with another 250cc of displacement is at full grunt by 4000rpm, and while there is a small delay between shifts, it's about half of what the 1.6/2860RS was.

levnubhin 09-05-2009 10:32 PM

Hmmm, Im at 16psi by 4200 rpms with my 2871 on my 1.6. My turbine is a .64 though.
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hustler 09-05-2009 10:37 PM

Yes. Too big

Splitime 09-05-2009 10:48 PM

I like mine just fine. Kthnxbye.

nufi 09-05-2009 10:49 PM

:noob::vash::vash:

I gona try change for a :


T3
. 48 A/R COMPRESSOR
.60 A/R TURBINE
.60 TRIM

or

GT25 (BALL BEARING)
0.60 A/R
TURBINE: .49 A/R
TRIM: 55

????
What is the best in your's opinion ? ( for the 1.6L)

levnubhin 09-05-2009 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by nufi (Post 451053)
:noob::vash::vash:

I gona try change for a :


T3
. 48 A/R COMPRESSOR
.60 A/R TURBINE
.60 TRIM

or

GT25 (BALL BEARING)
0.60 A/R
TURBINE: .49 A/R
TRIM: 55

????
What is the best in your's opinion ?

What are your goals? What do you plan to do with the car?
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nufi 09-05-2009 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 451054)
What are your goals? What do you plan to do with the car?

Street road ( maybe a drift too ;) )

Savington 09-05-2009 10:53 PM

That T3 might work, although I'll let Scott comment on the exact size since I'm not a T3 guru.

You want that GT25 (.60 comp a/r = GT2560R) with a .64 turbine A/R, NOT the .49 turbine A/R.

nufi 09-05-2009 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 451056)
That T3 might work, although I'll let Scott comment on the exact size since I'm not a T3 guru.

You want that GT25 (.60 comp a/r = GT2560R) with a .64 turbine A/R, NOT the .49 turbine A/R.

But the seller only have this 3 turbos

I buy the gt28, but maybe i can speak with him to change.

In your opnion, who make a better street car ?

Ps.
Sorry for bad english :vash:

Splitime 09-05-2009 11:13 PM

Here is a gt28rs .86ar hotside on a stock 1.6l

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...otta-dyno1.jpg

nufi 09-05-2009 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 451065)
Here is a gt28rs .86ar hotside on a stock 1.6l

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...otta-dyno1.jpg

The full boost is at rpm ??

neogenesis2004 09-05-2009 11:32 PM

He's hitting full boost there at about 4400rpm and he had a damaged turbine wheel when he did that dyno.

nufi 09-06-2009 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 451069)
He's hitting full boost there at about 4400rpm and he had a damaged turbine wheel when he did that dyno.

Is this car ? :bowrofl:
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18psi 09-06-2009 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by nufi (Post 451082)
Is this car ? :bowrofl:
YouTube - WMHM8 Miotta In Car part 1

what is so funny?

Savington 09-06-2009 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 451065)
Here is a gt28rs .86ar hotside on a stock 1.6l

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...otta-dyno1.jpg

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I rest my case.

neogenesis2004 09-06-2009 02:20 AM

What case would that be exactly? Dave is running like 4lbs less than you in his dyno. Plus his damaged turbine isn't exactly helping his spool in that dyno.

Both of you have approx 180tq at redline, you just have more before that because you are running like 15 or more psi. There is not boost plot on your dyno, but it is safe to guess that you hit peak boost near peak tq because of the falloff afterward. IF that assumption is correct it looksl ike you hit peak boost around the same time as well. I think your dyno and Daves dynos would be VERY similar at the same boost.


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