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Old 12-11-2010, 05:06 AM   #1
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While driving today the pipe going to my external waste gate on my Greddy JDM SS manifold split in half. Tomorrow im going to take it all off and get pictures, but It should be fine just getting it re welded right?

Any ideas to what would cause this? The flange from the turbo to the manifold is above to turbo and the WG is VTA. Could it have been caused somehow by the weight of it hanging down, or maybe a faulty waste gate somehow?

What would Jesus do if he didnt want to buy a new manifold?
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As far as I'm aware, GReddy never made a tubular stainless manifold. You probably have a cheap eBay manifold. You can re-weld it but it will just continuously break - it needs to be replaced with a quality piece.

This is why Tim stopped doing VTA wastegates, BTW - the wastegate dump acts as a huge tuning fork and rips the wastegate off the manifold from harmonics. Blending it into the exhaust supports it from the other end and erases those issues.
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From what ive gathered in research, they made a small run of tubular SS manifolds only for the JDM that were never sold in the states. Addressed this in another thread.

I would think that putting a bracket between the body and the WG/Exhaust would be a No-No because of vibrations and all, but has anyone had success doing one between the engine block its self and the WG/Turbo? Or would the body mount work If i also installed rigid engine mounts or something like that?
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Photograph the manifold and the crack.
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has anyone had success doing one between the engine block its self and the WG/Turbo?
Bell use an arrangement similar to this on their S4 tubular manifold. You may or may not have success cloning such a setup on a manifold of a different design. From what I recall, they spent a fair bit of time and went through many revisions before finding something that actually worked.


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Or would the body mount work If i also installed rigid engine mounts or something like that?
You'd have to fasten the engine block directly to the body with steel I-beams. Anything less, and the manifold would be cleft in twain the first time you fired it up.
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So I'm gonna get it in a shop this week and get it re welded. Looks like it just wasn't the best weld when it was re worked from a side mount to a top mount. Theeres also a few other hair line cracks that ill get fixed as well. I have to check clearance of the block but I want to get a brace welded in between the flange and where the repair is going to be for a little more support.
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Another thing, while its all out I'm rebuilding the turbo and re doing the oil feed and drain. Aren't one of the two plugs in the first picture a factory oil feed that will work for the turbo? Another thing I need to get is the flange for the drain line that'll let me use an an line instead of the slip fit hose.
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Yes you can definitely re-weld that, luckily it cracked right at the previous weld so it can easily be cleaned up and re-welded..
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Aren't one of the two plugs in the first picture a factory oil feed that will work for the turbo?
Yes. In the first picture you posted, the lower of the two bolts (the one closest to the flange which the transmission mates to) is an oil feed. If you remove that bolt, you can stick a 10x1.5mm fitting into the hole. I personally use an angled banjo fitting that's intended for brake lines, as straight 10x1.5 to -AN adapters are nearly impossible to find except in aluminum, and this is one area where I don't trust an aluminum fitting (lots of stress on that point.)

Example of the parts I used: http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/index...p=&dept=Banjos

The other fitting is a coolant port, which is where the factory coolant feed to the turbo was. So if you have a W/C turbo, you can pick up water for it at that location.


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Yes you can definitely re-weld that, luckily it cracked right at the previous weld so it can easily be cleaned up and re-welded..
One of the cracks did. The others...

I will say that that's about the cleverest location for an EWG I think I have ever seen on a Miata manifold. It violates Corky's Third Law a bit, but definitely a very ingenious solution to the packaging dilemma.
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Oh how I wish my car had the oil feed port on the drivers side
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Oh how I wish my car had the oil feed port on the drivers side
It is.......if you're in Japan
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I wouldn't bother with this manifold. My suggestion - get a decent manifold since this is straight up eBay item.
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