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avante43 04-19-2010 11:51 AM

V-Band Flanges for Tial housing
 
One of my friends has a GT2871R with tial V-band housing on the way.
Can one of you guys that have one of these let me know what size v-bands the inlet and outlet is?
Also, are all v-band flanges the same? In other words, will a 3" v-band flange from company X ti with a v-band flange from company y?

baron340 04-19-2010 12:41 PM

I have no clue what the size is, but not all v-bands are the same. There are a few different designs to them. Some use different style clamps, and a few even require a very thin gasket.

avante43 04-19-2010 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by baron340 (Post 558577)
I have no clue what the size is, but not all v-bands are the same. There are a few different designs to them. Some use different style clamps, and a few even require a very thin gasket.

So if that's the case, do you need tial v-band flanges to fit the tial v-band turbo?

neogenesis2004 04-19-2010 01:23 PM

Yes, you need the tial specific vbands for the housing.

hustler 04-19-2010 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 558596)
Yes, you need the tial specific vbands for the housing.

truth. The TiAL v-bands have a male/female version due to the groove...and worth the money.

thagr81 us 04-19-2010 05:24 PM

Good shit to know... I will be sure to send Burns one when they build my merge collector.

hustler 04-19-2010 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by thagr81 us (Post 558740)
Good shit to know... I will be sure to send Burns one when they build my merge collector.

Turbo Timmy used TiAL v-bands on my dp of course and I used v-band flanges from silicone intakes on the rest of the exhaust. All are sealed, but the TiAL flanges take a little more care to get lined-up, but fit right every time. Make sure you send the right flange of course, I believe the turbo is female on the inlet and the outlet.

thagr81 us 04-19-2010 06:01 PM

Thanks hustler. I have been contact with Burns and Tial last week so getting verification on the Tial shouldn't be a problem. I will post upon verification...

Stephanie Turner 04-19-2010 09:48 PM

They use 3" Flanges and clamps.
Stephanie

hustler 04-20-2010 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 558868)
They use 3" Flanges and clamps.
Stephanie

Turbo inlet is smaller than 3".

thagr81 us 04-20-2010 10:43 AM

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Got this from Tial last week via our e-mail communications... Enjoy.

TurboTim 04-20-2010 01:20 PM

Ohh mutherfer. Get the entire turbine housing solid model while you're at it.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 559047)
Turbo inlet is smaller than 3".

The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

neogenesis2004 04-20-2010 01:48 PM

You forgot to end your post with something to rub it in, for example: BURN, or IN YOUR FACE FUCKER!

This is Hustler we are talking about.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 02:06 PM

Very true, but I am learning the "high road". If I fall off the wagon, I have to admit my sins, apologize for them, etc. Entirely too much trouble. :giggle:
Stephanie (attempting to be funny)

TurboTim 04-20-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 559185)
The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

VBF300M is the inlet flange to the turbine. Outer diameter of the vband itself is 3.000 inch and uses that VC300 clamp for, yeah, a 3" outer diameter vband. ID is around 2-2.125, it's conical. The turbine outlet flange is that GTVFL3.0, which is for a 3" pipe. The outer diameter I do not know for sure, but I will assume it's...3.550". I'll let you guess where I figured that info from ;) I'll guess the ID is 2.910. They ain't the same size. BURNZZZZZ!

EDIT #8: You guys made 4 vband mani's so far? Damn I better step my game up.

hustler 04-20-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 559185)
The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

I stand corrected. I never measured but the outlet parts sure look bigger than the inlet.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 559236)
The outer diameter I do not know for sure, but I will assume it's...3.550". I'll let you guess where I figured that info from ;)

I could very well be wrong. I copy and paste info from Tial price sheets.
Stephanie

thagr81 us 04-20-2010 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 559173)
Ohh mutherfer. Get the entire turbine housing solid model while you're at it.

I will see what I can do... :D

Edit: E-mail sent... I will post when I hear back. No go on that schematic. Just told me the flanges for the turbine housing were identical except it was the female rather than the male. I tried...

TurboTim 04-20-2010 10:09 PM

turbine inlet and turbine outlet flanges are not the same. Not even close. Sorta like saying BEGI's 3" downpipe is 3". OHH DAYUMM BBUUURNNNZZZZZEZEZZZZZZ! hehehe just bustin balls steph :makeout:

Each corresponding pair of flanges are the same obviously, one having a male lip and the other a female counterbore. The female end of each flange is part of the turbine housing.


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