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Old 03-24-2011, 03:29 PM
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im pretty noob on this site and to the miata and thought this was a great thread, i would recommend adding to the FAQ. Its a lot easier then the infamous "did you try searching" reply you get from more senior people on here.

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Does balancing the entire rotating assembly (bottom end only) change this?
this may not apply to the miata but if your engine is fully blueprinted and balanced you need to make sure that your flywheel doesnt have any OEM counter balancing same goes for the crank pulley
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Awesome info. Might be helpful to order the horsepower limits section from least horsepower before failure to the most.
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Originally Posted by Golferluke
Awesome info. Might be helpful to order the horsepower limits section from least horsepower before failure to the most.
That was my original intention, but I guess I put the cooling system down at the bottom of the list. Moved it, renumbered, and added some HP comments to cooling and PCV. Thanks!
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Addition:

The '03 diff is not a torsen. It is a clutch type diff.
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I know I'm nitpicking here (especially since this is such a damn good idea), but there are advantages to the early cars - they're light and cheap.
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Between this thread and the DIY FAQ, I am very grateful for all the shared knowledge of this forum. I am starting a very slow DIY build and have been saved from potential flaming thanks to the FAQ (and now this).
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Thank you very much.
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Edit: DOH! I'm retarded lol, nevermind
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Originally Posted by kotomile
I know I'm nitpicking here (especially since this is such a damn good idea), but there are advantages to the early cars - they're light and cheap.

the 93 is only 100lbs lighter than the 94.

and the 94 has:
bigger brakes
bigger diff
bigger displacement
bigger clutch
2nd air bag (just sayin')

but only had what like 10 more horses? mazda obviously saw a need for the upgrades.
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Damn you brain and your swiftness i looked it up and edited but you were too fast
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went from 2222lbs @ 116hp to 2305lbs @ 128hp.

19:1 vs. 18:1. So a better power to weight ratio and yet they still wanted all the upgrades.
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Just sayin'...
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dont hate.
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But... haters gon' hate.
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Your wussbaby bitching has made me realize:


Put a frikken section in the faq on weight reduction! Seriously that should be on the list.
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Your wussbaby bitching has made me realize:


Put a frikken section in the faq on weight reduction! Seriously that should be on the list.
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great thread....yeah sorta bumping it here sorry.

Can we get some info in here regarding what's needed to make the engine last and make power up to lets say... 8k rpm?
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Originally Posted by aaronc7
great thread....yeah sorta bumping it here sorry.

Can we get some info in here regarding what's needed to make the engine last and make power up to lets say... 8k rpm?
These numbers will sound conservative, but I am a track junkie and my cars see more abuse in a single 20 minute session than your average street car sees in a month of commutes. You can probably exceed these numbers in a street car and be OK in the short term, but if you want long term reliability or track reliability, I'd stick to my numbers.

Power:
Stock engine is basically safe to 200whp and ~7500rpm.

Folks start to bend rods in the 250whp range. M-Tuned rods are the fix.

Past 300whp, you'll start to see issues in the cast pistons. Supertech pistons are a no-brainers.

300whp/8000rpm is the generally accepted limit of the stock oil pump gears. Billet gears are available from Boundary Engineering.

350-400whp, OEM main bolts are dubious. Upgrade to ARP main studs and use an MBSP if you intend on pressing past the 350whp mark.

Crank and block limits are unknown, but both are higher than 500-600whp. The next power limit is likely the OEM cast main caps, at somewhere around 500whp. Someone else can find that out

Limit of the stock head studs is unknown, probably because EVERYONE upgrades them. You should probably just upgrade them and avoid becoming the guinea pig on that one.

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Stock rods will not accept anything past about 7800rpm without stretching. Spec Miatas are documented to stretch rods on single sub-8000rpm overrevs. If you push past 7500 on a regular basis, you need forged rods.

Stock oil pump gears have a generally accepted limit of 8000rpm due to crank harmonics. Push past that (or run at 8k for a long time) and billet gears are strongly recommended.

OEM valvetrain is good up to the ~7800rpm mark. At a certain point, the valves will start to float, which means you either need stiffer springs or lighter retainers.

Making power at 8000rpm is hard. You need a huge centrifugal blower, a lot of port work, big cams, or a combination of at least two of those things. Most people do not spin the motor this hard.

FOOTNOTE: VVT users MUST adhere to a strict 7400rpm limit due to an intake cam harmonic. Change the intake cam and you may press past that limit.
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:24 PM
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I have always believed the answer to this question to be "yes", but would like a smart answer.

Would an ATI damper have benefits on a stock engine? Abd by benefits, I merely mean as an added margin of safety for oil-pump gear destroying harmonics and such
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Originally Posted by Faeflora
who put in a built motor just to run a GT2560
What's wrong with overbuilding?... lol
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