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18psi 336whp 20psi 349whp
Here is what i made on 18PSi with current setup but will be getting retuned next week on 25PSI just ran out of time today.
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Good god that looks like fun!
Any under hood shots? |
yeah i think i might have a few.
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That's beautiful.
Just what I'll be aiming for. Is this on pump or e85? and yes please post underhood |
good lord, that's scary, and awesome...
got a build thread? no reroute? |
This is on pump gas and here are the pics you guys wanted there from a camera phone its all I got lol.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 580094)
That's beautiful.
Just what I'll be aiming for. Is this on pump or e85? and yes please post underhood |
Originally Posted by kewilso3
(Post 580102)
good lord, that's scary
lol you mean fun as all hell.:skid: |
No build thread and no reroute i also don't run a thermostat.
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I hate your guts. Not really, it's mostly jealousy cause I wish my 99 put those numbers down. I'm only 100hp less than you! Good pull!
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I forgot to add it would have seen 350 but for some reason the wastegate just didn't want to hold boost. So once I get my new wastegate and fix a few small thing ill be going for my 25psi tune. =]
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Originally Posted by WonTon
(Post 580104)
i thought he was calling you out for a minute before i opened the thread!
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Looks like you're getting the hang of the DIYPNP. Great numbers Mike!!
When you get a sec, please email me a copy of your .msq. I'd like to have a look at it. |
will do ben.
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I have yet to see this car in person (did you come to the show..if so i was too damn busy to notice).
I love the RPM scaling ... lol. |
Originally Posted by 240_to_miata
(Post 580126)
I have yet to see this car in person (did you come to the show..if so i was too damn busy to notice).
I love the RPM scaling ... lol. here is a list of what i have sorry if i left anything out Head stock bottom end belfab H beam rods super tech pistons 9.5:1 comp HV oil pump full ARP studs Turbo setup ebay manifold with a 16g flange New style EVOIII 16G full 3INCH exhaust VTA wastegate Other stuff custom intake manifold DIYPNP with 4 bar mapdaddy stock fuel rail made into a dual feed fuel rail 680CC injectors coil over plug mazdaspeed six speed tranny mazdaspeed diff walbro 255lph |
All these new dyno plots showing up on this site really have me thinking more and more about turbo efficiency.
From what I understand the 16g is considered a relatively small turbo, right? These are numbers that we usually see from bigger turbo's such as a 2871, 3071 or a larger t3. I know there are always variable's to take into account(intake manifold, tubular exhaust, etc.) but, is this turbo really that efficient? I must be missing something here, please fill me in. Miatamike203, I am envious. Those are great numbers. I bet the car pulls like a freight train. I can't even imagine what you're going to put down at 25psi:drool: |
Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 580144)
All these new dyno plots showing up on this site really have me thinking more and more about turbo efficiency.
From what I understand the 16g is considered a relatively small turbo, right? These are numbers that we usually see from bigger turbo's such as a 2871, 3071 or a larger t3. I know there are always variable's to take into account(intake manifold, tubular exhaust, etc.) but, is this turbo really that efficient? I must be missing something here, please fill me in. Miatamike203, I am envious. Those are great numbers. I bet the car pulls like a freight train. I can't even imagine what you're going to put down at 25psi:drool: The car feels like nothing i have ever driven and i have driven a lot of cars from your everyday civic to some of the nicest and fastest super cars thanks to the 2 places i work and worked at. No traction problems ether this i was surprised about, once you hit boost good luck trying to move in your seat and good luck trying to pass me. lol |
Tell us more about this > ebay manifold with a 16g flange < .. how does it hold up? i know a friend that had bought an ebay 1.6 kit and it fell apart in 3 weeks.. not saying yours will just wondering which one you got and how much you paid? was it the ebay kit we all see got like 1000$?
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I am aiming for this exact powerband with my current setup
very nice man. congrats Its so nice to see the miata community finally start stepping up to larger turbo's. A year from now i'll bet half this forum will be roking taters and larger |
Originally Posted by locomonkeyboricua
(Post 580181)
Tell us more about this > ebay manifold with a 16g flange < .. how does it hold up? i know a friend that had bought an ebay 1.6 kit and it fell apart in 3 weeks.. not saying yours will just wondering which one you got and how much you paid? was it the ebay kit we all see got like 1000$?
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 580184)
I am aiming for this exact powerband with my current setup
very nice man. congrats Its so nice to see the miata community finally start stepping up to larger turbo's. A year from now i'll bet half this forum will be roking taters and larger Here is the turbo I was talking about too, the only thing I am going to do is have FP change the comp housing to the subi one. So this way I will not have to run the intercooler pipe so close to the manifold.http://store.forcedperformance.net/m..._Code=Turbo-FP |
What AFR are you aiming for/hitting throughout the range?
Share MSQ for kicks? |
Congrats!
Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 580227)
Share MSQ for kicks?
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lol Ill post up my MSQ tomorrow once i get back from the dyno along with my new dyno sheet. air fuels are 11.8 10-15psi and 11.5 16-20psi then 11.0 from 21-25psi.
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16g=win gj man i cant wait to have mine up and around agian.
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Looks good! Did you get the clamps for your IC yet? Next time we meet up I gotta take it for a ride since you were scared to get on it
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Originally Posted by miataspeed2005
(Post 580294)
Looks good! Did you get the clamps for your IC yet? Next time we meet up I gotta take it for a ride since you were scared to get on it
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Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 580286)
16g=win gj man i cant wait to have mine up and around agian.
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Originally Posted by miatamike203
(Post 580267)
Some of the maps I see posted on here are ridiculously conservative. |
Mustang dyno or dynojet?
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Originally Posted by miatamike203
(Post 580210)
The manifold is the ebay version of begi s manifold only thing i changed is i had a 16g flange welded to the manifold. all the rest was custom made.
To really be honest I think on a 1.8l the evo3 16g fits really nice and make great power with very little lag. My true goal with my car is 400whp if i am unable to make that next week on 25psi I am going to be trying forced performance's HTA68 for the DSM its a evo 3 16g but the cold side has a HTA wheel that flows 47lb 7 more then the evo3 wheel and it is also litter so spool will not be effected. I talked with the guys at FP and they said the turbo will make a little less power then a 20G but will spool like a EVO3 16G. So i should make my power goal and then some. But yes i think we will start to see bigger turbo on miata in the forums. I remember when 250whp in a miata was a lot of power and fast. Then people started to get closer to 300whp and now im sure we will start seeing a lot of them 300 and more. Here is the turbo I was talking about too, the only thing I am going to do is have FP change the comp housing to the subi one. So this way I will not have to run the intercooler pipe so close to the manifold.http://store.forcedperformance.net/m..._Code=Turbo-FP GREAT turbo is all I can say. For its size, the ammount of flow it provides is insane |
Originally Posted by stranges12712
(Post 580333)
Mustang dyno or dynojet?
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 580375)
I know all about the hta68. Installed a few onto subaru's already.
GREAT turbo is all I can say. For its size, the ammount of flow it provides is insane |
At the shop finishing the tune
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I used to run a T3/T4 50 Trim over 8 years ago. Larger Turbos are not new to this community, just not need for most peoples setups.
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Doing this from my phone but we made 349.1whp on 20psi, ill have a graph as soon as i get home.
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You are my hero. And I'm pissed because I know my DSM did not make any 350WHP on my E316G at 20 psi either.
As a data point, I flowed a confirmed 38LBs/MN on my E3 on a 2L with stock head and manifolds, just minor port work. Really crap tune for 91 octane and high heat. And despite that it spooled incredibly well. A 1.8L with good compression should do about as well if not better. 16Gs are highly underated outside the DSM community. Their efficiencies in the airflow area that most people actually use are really high. And they love higher pressure ratios compared to many Garret units. IIRC Curt Brown got mid-high 400s WHP for a few RPM at about 30 psi from one. Only a few .50 trims have beat that. |
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
(Post 580728)
You are my hero. And I'm pissed because I know my DSM did not make any 350WHP on my E316G at 20 psi either.
As a data point, I flowed a confirmed 38LBs/MN on my E3 on a 2L with stock head and manifolds, just minor port work. Really crap tune for 91 octane and high heat. And despite that it spooled incredibly well. A 1.8L with good compression should do about as well if not better. 16Gs are highly underated outside the DSM community. Their efficiencies in the airflow area that most people actually use are really high. And they love higher pressure ratios compared to many Garret units. IIRC Curt Brown got mid-high 400s WHP for a few RPM at about 30 psi from one. Only a few .50 trims have beat that. i went with the 16g because on a 2.0l it seamed the hot side is what was killing the 16g from making anymore power even tho the cold side was not maxed out. so i was like hmm i bet on a 1.8l with a 9.5:1 comp it would spool as if it was on a 2.0l but make nice power as it was only a 1.8l. it turns out i was right but i am now thinking of going to a HTA3076R and seeing what i make with that. i am told it makes the power of a 35r but comes in 1500rpm sooner then a 35r. should put down some great number on 20psi. |
ugly manifold, awesome #'s. Hopefully that lasts a little while.
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I know hustler but it has been good for 3 weeks now. As I also said before I have a cast t3 manifold that im going to use on my new setup with a HTA3076R.
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My head is all stock what would you guys think i would make with a set of cams, springs valves and, light head work.
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Originally Posted by miataspeed2005
(Post 580294)
Looks good! Did you get the clamps for your IC yet? Next time we meet up I gotta take it for a ride since you were scared to get on it
Nice numbers though Mike....I'm in for a ride as well next time we do a meet so I can see what 350hp in a miata feels like :drool: |
Originally Posted by miatamike203
(Post 580316)
Thanks what ended up happening with your car.
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Originally Posted by Cspence
(Post 580777)
:giggle:
Nice numbers though Mike....I'm in for a ride as well next time we do a meet so I can see what 350hp in a miata feels like :drool:
Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 580782)
still there just took a break to save up $$ i had hoped to have it on the raod this weekend but the damn oil feed fitting busting put the kabash on that. Then there was the broken piston squirter, and the c clips that sprang across the room. all becouse i wanted to do my rods and oil pump finally lol. i am glad i did it though cause the stock rods where bent. After i get the new fitting i should be back to terrorizing the roads in no time.
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Fuckin awesome! I would love to go for a ride in this also...would make for some good motivation to blow more cash.
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AhAHAHAHAH
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i dont think its worth changing cams, iirc the solid lifter 99+ cams are pretty decent from the factory. i'd try slapping an adjustable cam gear on the intake cam though, and retarding it by 10-12* (5-6 cam degrees). i have mine retarded 12* and i had to increase my VE by about 10% at ~5000rpm+. supposedly doing this will sap some bottom end power but i havent missed it!
PS kudos on the timing map, you're running a good 5* more advance than i am, and you have 1.3 points higher compression! how are you tuning spark? listening for knock or tuning for MBT? |
I really wish we had a trans that could take the power...I'd love to run my car at 280whp (DynoDynamics). 250whp is starting to bore more again.
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quaife
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 581688)
quaife
fuck quaife and their shitty warranty massage my prostate and express my testicles |
subaru/evo guys usually shell out upwards of 5k for their shit.
But I hear you. paying for a gearbox more than half of what your car costs sucks |
W...i...n...!!
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 581709)
subaru/evo guys usually shell out upwards of 5k for their shit.
But I hear you. paying for a gearbox more than half of what your car costs sucks :D |
Originally Posted by therieldeal
(Post 581638)
i dont think its worth changing cams, iirc the solid lifter 99+ cams are pretty decent from the factory. i'd try slapping an adjustable cam gear on the intake cam though, and retarding it by 10-12* (5-6 cam degrees). i have mine retarded 12* and i had to increase my VE by about 10% at ~5000rpm+. supposedly doing this will sap some bottom end power but i havent missed it!
PS kudos on the timing map, you're running a good 5* more advance than i am, and you have 1.3 points higher compression! how are you tuning spark? listening for knock or tuning for MBT? Just listening for knock with some det cans also the other reason I might be able to run more ignition is lower intake temps do to the turbo flowing more then the normal turbos people run. Also the fact I have a intake manifold that doesn't heat soak as easy as the stock one. Well I decided to go with the forced performance HTA3076r I got it in V-band. Only problem I ran into was it ended up being 2k for the turbo so I didn't have money for a manifold. lol So after some good hard thinking I said, well I have a BEGI T3 cast manifold so i went to my friend jimmy who owns www.theshopct.com and he is going to weld a v-band flange and wastgate flange on the manifold for me. So by next month i am hoping to have new numbers for everyone. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 581709)
subaru/evo guys usually shell out upwards of 5k for their shit.
But I hear you. paying for a gearbox more than half of what your car costs sucks |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 581833)
Its nto the money as much as its Quaife sucking and not covering my $900 differential in my VW that lasted 1 day. "Oh we only warranty the internal gears, not the broke differential case[that has quaife stamped all over it]."
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Hustler can't drive.
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Good job making a car with under 7 pounds per whp, must be intense!
Originally Posted by miatamike203
(Post 581778)
I have been wanting to do cam gears for a bit now to see what i could get out of them. Ive been hoping boundary engineering would have those carbon fiber ones done.
I emailed him about TODA making them already & to help with ideas, guess there's not sufficient interest. Nengun Performance has them for $179. (Exhaust is $155) NA gears, couldn't find NB pic http://www.todaracingusa.com/product...campulleys.jpg An HTA3076R should spool nicely with 9.5 compression & a 99-05 exhaust cam minus a few degrees... 278 duration & 8.89mm lift on both sides but staying near stock overlap (17*) on a 99-00 @ 25 psi would compress colons. 400 whp street Miata what? :beer: |
with the oil squiters the hollow bolt with a checkvalve that makes it all work on #2 damn near twisted in half on me i geus i had assembled and disasembeled it to many times lol.
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