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brgracer 09-26-2006 02:36 PM

GReddy @ 15psi
 
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Finally got the run files. Before the turbo and at 15psi. Enjoy! :bigtu:

Stripes 09-26-2006 03:06 PM

I must say, I'm very impressed every time I read about your dyno run. Great job! You may have the fastest Greddy miata period.

jayc72 09-26-2006 03:49 PM

Those are impressive numbers considering you aren't using a more capable ECU. You dyno plot goes against the common opinion that you can't get these kinds of power levels with an AFPR based system!

There is a dyno plot at FM's webpage of a greddy setup w/link doing over 260. In the description it says "It takes a little while for that turbo to spool..." Ironically it seems to get to peak tq as fast or faster than their 1.6 FM based setups.

Good job!

tabs604 09-26-2006 05:56 PM

I dont get it..how is it possible to run those figures with emanage and 1.8 injectors.

Am I missing somthing here????

jayc72 09-26-2006 06:02 PM

Lots of fuel pressure! And voodoo, don't forget the voodoo.

brgracer 09-26-2006 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by tabs604 (Post 46594)
I dont get it..how is it possible to run those figures with emanage and 1.8 injectors.

Am I missing somthing here????

It's more than just 1.8 injectors and emanage. I also have a Begi AFPR and Pierburg inline fuel pump as well as an RX-7 AFM and olderguy's autotune. While I agree that "technically" the 1.8 injectors shouldn't be able to support those #, well...they do, and both the tailpipe sniffer and my pre-cat WB show that I am not running lean.

As I've posted in the past, many of the miata gurus (Keith from FM, Brant from BRP, markp, RodH) have said that the 99-00 1.8 injectors have lots of "headroom" for FI whatever that means. Maybe b/c they were designed around a returnless fuel rail that runs at 60psi they are more tolerant of higher pressures. Not sure.

Granted, they "technically" shouldn't work, but they do. That said, I have a spare set of 310cc injectors in my garage should my WB or other data ever show that I am running lean or too high fuel pressures. FWIW, olderguy also runs 1.8 injectors at 15psi and has not had fueling issues either.

Oh yeah, and I forgot....the special boost voodoo dance before I get on the dyno....haha

magnamx-5 09-27-2006 01:09 AM

makes me wonder what a peiburg can do for me.

F20turbo 09-27-2006 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 46658)
makes me wonder what a peiburg can do for me.

I love that damn fuel pump, LOVE IT!:)

F20turbo 09-27-2006 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by brgracer (Post 46613)
It's more than just 1.8 injectors and emanage. I also have a Begi AFPR and Pierburg inline fuel pump as well as an RX-7 AFM and olderguy's autotune. While I agree that "technically" the 1.8 injectors shouldn't be able to support those #, well...they do, and both the tailpipe sniffer and my pre-cat WB show that I am not running lean.

As I've posted in the past, many of the miata gurus (Keith from FM, Brant from BRP, markp, RodH) have said that the 99-00 1.8 injectors have lots of "headroom" for FI whatever that means. Maybe b/c they were designed around a returnless fuel rail that runs at 60psi they are more tolerant of higher pressures. Not sure.

Granted, they "technically" shouldn't work, but they do. That said, I have a spare set of 310cc injectors in my garage should my WB or other data ever show that I am running lean or too high fuel pressures. FWIW, olderguy also runs 1.8 injectors at 15psi and has not had fueling issues either.

Oh yeah, and I forgot....the special boost voodoo dance before I get on the dyno....haha


What kinda fuel pressure are you seeing at 15psi? I used to run about 110psi or so on 270's ( I know I was rich like Bill Gates )....just wondering:)

Braineack 09-27-2006 10:04 AM

I think he said he was around 100psi or so.

brgracer 09-27-2006 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by AndyFloyd (Post 46689)
What kinda fuel pressure are you seeing at 15psi? I used to run about 110psi or so on 270's ( I know I was rich like Bill Gates )....just wondering:)

Right around 90-100psi last I checked.

Braineack 09-27-2006 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by brgracer (Post 46613)
Oh yeah, and I forgot....the special boost voodoo dance before I get on the dyno....haha

I wondered what you were doing! I thought you had to pee. :dancegay:

F20turbo 09-27-2006 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by brgracer (Post 46691)
Right around 90-100psi last I checked.

wow, I need to lay off my fuel then. LOL. I think Im gonna run out to the car and put a restrictor in my AFPR.

Braineack 09-27-2006 10:26 AM

I'm feeding my 305s 100psi of fuel at 9psi of boost. I'm recording 12:1 and slowly getting richer nearing redline.

330s at 100psi are good for about 275 BHP

F20turbo 09-27-2006 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by braineack (Post 46698)
I'm feeding my 305s 100psi of fuel at 9psi of boost. I'm recording 12:1 and slowly getting richer nearing redline.

330s at 100psi are good for about 275 BHP

Yeah, see I run about 110psi for 12psi on pumpgas. Its around 10.5:1 AFR's. I would prefer to be around 11.5 :1 but I run rich just to keep things safe. I was gonna add a resitrictor and try to get around 95-100psi and lean it out just a little to gain some free HP. Anyone use the wd-40 restrictor mod?

Braineack 09-27-2006 01:07 PM

POP and a few others suggested it to me. But Corky was nice enough to send me one of his.

cccpull 09-28-2006 08:35 AM

What injector duty cycles are you guys running?
I only had fuel for 13psi with 440's at a static 80 psi.

olderguy 09-28-2006 08:54 AM

The highest that was logged by the Emanage was 91 just at the end of the run, but there was no additional injection at that time. The highest I can read in fuel pressure that logs is 97psi(so it could have gone over 100), but that only held for about 1/10th of a second.

I don't fully trust the Emanage logging 'cause it is only picking off in 1/10 seconds. The control factor is happening much more quickly.

brgracer 09-28-2006 12:53 PM

My highest logged duty cycle was 92-93 very briefly as well toward the end. No additional injection at that point as well.

Also agree with the emanage logging as some numbers do not correlate with the LC-1 numbers that logs much faster.

MiataNuTca 09-30-2006 12:31 PM

You guys have to remember at those high pressures that the internal injector "needle" has to close against those pressures in 1 complete duty cycle. So even though your around a 85-90% duty cycle, the injector may still lag due to the increased pressure it sees when the needle is open. I can't see this being good for injectors over the long run.


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