Meth injected TB relocated M45 190whp 170tq
 

Tuned on AEM EMS w/ MAP sensor, and AEM meth injection using 100% meth and medium nozzle. Custom intake and TB relocation with BOV. Header back exhaust, stock 5psi pulley. Colder iridiums gapped at .030". Stock injectors and fuel pump.

Turbo's eat your heart out!!! just look at that torque curve/ line....lol

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Not bad. Could have made more power and more torque with a turbo:D

Yeah I could have made more PEAK power, but Im pretty sure if you were to take the integral of my ~5psi tune vs. lets say a 5psi greddy kit. I have a higher avg. torque.
I also might be making a tiny bit more power than that since my rev limiter was reset to 7500 and the Dyno stops at ~7k. I'll net throw on the 8psi pulley and see what that makes and track it like that for a bit, but now with the AEM I kinda want to go turbo and built motor and 99' head and shoot for 300whp for some stupid speed!!! :)

yeah, look at that torque line...its only 100wtq lower than everyone else on this forum.

Not bad for 5psi.. Thats the 100% meth for you!

let me ad meth to my kit. i'll make at least 50whp and 40wtq than you.....wait i already do. on a 1.6

so whats gonna happen when i run meth and turn the boost up some more? lol

but not for SC tho

Your graph starts at 3000rpm. which doent help your cause. everyone here makes at least as much torque as you and definitely makes more peak hp.

Why does your pressure creep up from four to six psi above 5600 rpm? Backpressure in the exhaust? I know the stock intake manifold flow is weak but it is definitely good for a lot more than 190hp.

In that part of the graph your pressure is rising and your torque is falling which seems to indicate a breathing problem. The cat maybe?

Interesting how even though pressure starts rising from about 5k, torque still falls off...

That looks pretty good for an M45 at 5psi. The Dyno Dynamics numbers are usually about 10% lower than a Dynojet.

My tuner said that the meth at such low boost really just helped with the intercooling effect, he added 2* of timing with meth. It only yielded 5whp and 10tq more with meth so.....

I would imagine it just has to do with the inefficiency of the head after that rpm and not being able to flow that kind of air. Thus, I get pressure build up. I don't see how it would be exhaust related like a turbo. I have a JR header and cat, magnaflow cat back as well. My friends SC would make 12psi on his mp62 and when he switched to a 99' motor with no other mods boost went down to 8PSI! and made about the same power. Boost can just be thought of as a measure of the inefficiency of the head.

Also this SC came on the car when I bought it, not like I think SC's are the jesus of FI. But I'm confident with these numbers that they could rival a lot of turbo cars at the same 5PSI OF BOOST!!!

Wow. Those are really, really great numbers for only 5 psi.

I was only making 168whp at 5 psi on my m45 but with a ported 1.6 head.

impressive!

that's the problem...no one in their right mind would keep the boost at 5psi when it takes $10 and twist of a knob to turn it up. the versatility of a turbo ;)

Dang guys, don't have to shit in his Cheerios!!

Thats pretty impressive for an M45, Honestly. Best we could get out of one on its last leg w/bandaids was 147whp..

http://jugrnot.com/dyno.jpg

Haven't been back since the recent upgrades cause the blower died.

That dyno was with 8psi 62mm (I think) blower pulley, P-P-P-P-Powercard!!! (Notice that perfect fuel curve... :rolleyes:) Jackson racing BTM, big header, FM high flow cat, 2" catback borla system.

He ordered MSPNP and sold the timing and powercard garbage to nearly recover the entire cost of the PNP, Lc1, water/meth kit, and larger exhaust. Blower died in the first 15 minutes of a MAM track day. :bowrofl:

I really wish everyone would shut the fuck up about "HAHA LOW TORQUE". 190whp out of an M45 is fucking unheard of. Very nice setup.

Thanks, to those that weren't hating! lol

I was really happy with the numbers given the setup, I haven't really seen any really around that power other than an NB with bigger injectors, fuel pump, link ECU, and 8# pulley that made 192whp...But this will be plenty of power for auto-x, I just need to get a clutch ASAP cause its slipping now has anyone had good look with the XTD's off ebay? I've heard there actuaully pretty good and dirt cheap.

Very impressive 45! If you keep the blower then your recipe for success will be to overspin and throw meth before and after the eaton.

Oh shit, the whole time I thought this was the bigger blower. Good job dude. Now get a proper tune on it with MS. I'm really anxious to see what the tune looks like with proper engine management...considering I'm about to tune adaptronic on an 01 w/ mp62.

With all my parts sitting in my garage, I'll take that hp anyday.

wut? Sister's car?

nah, a friend bought adaptronic.

Remember that no one in dallas believes that stand alone engine management is cost effective. "Just run a voodoo card!!!"

LOL MS? I already have AEM EMS w/ MAP senso; which is a lot better, and twice the resolution. The numbers are after a tune from a shop I used to work at, which is an AEM dealer and a friend that works is an "master tuner" which just means hes certified by AEM.

My friend with a 99 moor and MP62 easily made 240whp...and could have made more but for realiability and autocross he had it de-tund to 220whp, That is with AEM, intercooled, TB reocated.

Very nice numbers! My setup makes 167hp on a Dyno Dynamics with Adaptronic, the JR kit running 6-7psi, 10:1 compression (2002 bottom end), JR headers and Magnaflow muffler (2.5" all the way). I don't have water injection but I have the JR water-to-air intercooler. Are the stock injectors close to maxing out? I'm running RX-7 460cc which probably isn't helping my cause, I think the stock ones spray better.

The tuner I use is well respected but usually only does Haltech, Autronic and MoTeC.

Can you post up your ignition and fuel tables?

Since you used the word "integral" I'm going to say that yeah...I like your torque curve.

Those are very impressive numbers, especially for such low manifold pressure. Methanol IS doing more than intercooling though, it is a fuel after all. It's allowing you to seriously advance timing by acting as a detonation deterrent.

VERY good tuning. I would not turn away from a drive in that.


Joe's right though about your torque curve dropping off up top. At higher hp/flow numbers I'd blame the manifold, but this shouldn't be a problem at your power level. In this case I wonder how much is to blame on blower inefficiency at those rpms, and how much of it is our stock cams tuned for mid-range torque.

If you ever start to feel like it's running out of breath up top, maybe look into an adjustable gear on the intake cam, but honestly your torque drops off less than 90% of the turbo setups I've seen, but those are all around 250whp, where the intake mani/throttle body are a restriction.

Soflairick's heavily modded mp45 setup was making 190rwhp like 3 years ago, and then the supercharger let go, irrc...however, the most basic SR20 T25 setup makes a more impressive setup to me

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...soflairick.jpg

Almost equivalent torque curve, but his supercharger setup is getting over 150ft-lbs almost 500rpm sooner, and holds it past 6500rpm, a little longer and with a shallower tangent than the tiny turbo. This of course nets it a little more peak power as well.

But I'm sure an SR20 T25 with a well-tuned AEM and meth injection would do just as well, if not better.

blue is mp45 red is t25. torque curves aren't even close....what are you looking at?

Great setup for hair drying!

Oh...you graphed the two...I'm an idiot. I thought you were comparing some random T25 with larger turbo graph. Den den den

Looks like that MP45 is about 10hp lower...but still DAMN!

Ten hell! It's 50whp at 5000! And that torque value difference at 4000 looks like 60 more delicious footypounds.

I prefer Mustang dyno. Dynojet and others are for bragging rights

Whats this "custom throttle body relocation" crap?

I want pictures..

For about 2 weeks I had the throttle body on the intake where it belongs w/a blowoff valve and driveability was COMPLETE shit. At part throttle on the highway to maintain 65mph with any kind of load the compressors bypass would close and start making pressure. On a 30 degree day I was seeing 240 degree IATs at a nearly ZERO load highway cruise! Charger has an 8psi pulley and wouldn't ever pass 6psi, even at redline. Swapped the throttle body around to the rear of the charger now it makes 8 - 12psi at redline, depending on belt slipping.

Car feels pretty quick but still isn't shit against the "205rwhp" chinacharger setup on the blue car, which held against a lightning the other night w/8psi pulley, headers, full exhaust, and a great tune..

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...t/DSCF1451.jpg

'94 MP45 with Meth injection at "5"psi


vs.

http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2..._dyno_9psi.jpg

'94 Begi S1 with Journal T25 at 9psi with stock exhaust.






http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...s_mp45meth.jpg

haha...can't believe I missed the resurection of this thread. But would like to add a little to it:

First, I have definatetely questioned the numbers my car made. I was hoping someone who is much more knowledgable in tuning than I am could look at my fuel and ign tables. I just recently have been learning how to use AEMPro and and still trying to learn more about actual tuning. Unfortunately the only AFR I have is off the dyno pull since I dont have a WB.

But I would really like to get some useful input, cause this was 4 hours of tuning at $150 an hour, and if they just fudged the numbers to make it look better then I really would like to have a talk with them! But first want to make sure I have grounds to do so..


Anyways if there is anything else from the tune I should post that I can dig up I'll try to do so. Thanks
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