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Old 03-17-2020, 12:16 PM
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N/A 05 NB2 130k miles, good compression. RB header, Roadstersport 3 exhaust. MAF removed.
Torquey, but not a lot of top end.
Should I be seeing more? Tuner said that this was about as much as the engine could make.
120 peak at the wheels, would be 138 at the crank. I spent all the money to make stock power?

Car was dynod at 147Whp at another dyno pre-mods, so I'm going to go back there to see if I've gained or lost relative to that dyno's 147whp.
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147 seems optimistic, 120 seems low. You can not compare dyno to dyno numbers when 5-10 hp is considered a major gain/loss unless you have extensive experience at both dynos.
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Originally Posted by curly
147 seems optimistic, 120 seems low. You can not compare dyno to dyno numbers when 5-10 hp is considered a major gain/loss unless you have extensive experience at both dynos.
I figured 147 was high on a stock ecu. Hence why I want to go back to that dyno and see if I gained/lost power in relation to its 147.
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That TQ shape makes me curious about the VVT table. Title says VICS, where is the switch point?
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
That TQ shape makes me curious about the VVT table. Title says VICS, where is the switch point?
I’ll make a build Thread and link it here. I’ll post my tables.

The VICS switch point is 4300. It’s a NB1 intake manifold on an NB2.
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I saw the VVT table in the other thread, do the logs say your VVT is at target?
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
I saw the VVT table in the other thread, do the logs say your VVT is at target?
Yes, +- .1
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Well, the shape of that curve looks funky to me. An NA VVT should have a plateau to 5700 or 6000, yours crashes at 5250 or so. This is what I would expect the shape to be.

Mistimed cams can look like this. If you drop the VVT to 0 degrees after 4500 and autotune fuel, does VE increase up there?

Seems like a silly thing to mention, but back up the upne prior to making changes.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
Well, the shape of that curve looks funky to me. An NA VVT should have a plateau to 5700 or 6000, yours crashes at 5250 or so. This is what I would expect the shape to be.

Mistimed cams can look like this. If you drop the VVT to 0 degrees after 4500 and autotune fuel, does VE increase up there?

Seems like a silly thing to mention, but back up the upne prior to making changes.
I was expecting a plateau as well. The stock dyno (my car), had it. (I have to find it’s graph).
As far as I know, my cam timing has not changed. I will pull my VC and check the cam gear alignment. Would that help?



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Certainly could, have you done a timing belt recently?
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
Certainly could, have you done a timing belt recently?
Nope. I did a valve cover gasket about 4K miles ago, and timing belt looked brand new. It’s possible the belt had just been done for it’s 100k mile interval.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-threads-57/nordic-fjord-spice-sparkle-nb2-102378/

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