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Okay, so today I had a tuning appointment at Sound Performance, most known for their 1000 + whp Supras. I cannot be more pleased, the car runs so smoothly it is a night and day difference from my last tune. This chart isn't the last run we ran her to 7,500 and made about 15 more hp, but I forgot it at the shop, but will pick it up Monday. Needless to say, the car made 425 whp 310 wtq @ 18 psi. Next year I am going PRO EFI ECU with a flex fuel sensor and E85, the tuner said I should have no problem making close to 600 whp. This would have to be some sort of B6 record? Needless to say the car makes me :laugh: Enjoy, btw this is on a Mustang dyno...should make close to 470 whp on a Dynojet or similar. EDIT: this was only at 17 degrees of timing, very conservative.
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:drool:

no vids? :mad:

I was in a rush and forgot my camera! BUT I will have some videos this weekend

fuck man, i want to exsperiance 400+ hp in a miata....

those flipside manifolds... i think you can rev your engine to 8500 and your power line will keep going at that rate....
the runners are so short that your going to make power really high.

but the numbers are about where i anticipated.... torque is lower.

why limit it at 18psi? your engine is BUILT, crank it up!

ps why the ECU change?

Yeah, I could rev higher and made more power but I just wanted to keep everything safe for right now. My torque was also still going up. I am broke because of this car, and cannot afford to have it blow up, but next year with different fuel, and engine management should make 550+ whp at around 30 psi.

yeah no mean to hate dude, thats legit power!
I would also like to see some vids of this...

Impressivepost is impressive.

Yeah man, should make 450ish @ 20 pounds on a Mustang, who knows on a Dynojet, maybe 460-470? lol...it's pretty insane, I actually on barely got on it on the way home and she was sideways with NT01's in the rear.

1.6l ftw. seriously impressive numbers my friend.

Thanks man! I really didn't think a 1.6L with such low boost pump gas, could make the power it did. The tuner was shocked and he tunes 1000+ whp Supras all the time, then he went on to tell me that he can put my car deep into the 10's and that I should let him drive it lol.

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Okay 500 whp on a Dynojet at 20 psi, 470 whp as she sits....that is nuts.

I have no doubts you could pull a 10 sec et if you can get it to hook. OMFG VIDEOS PLEASE!.

OMFG, that must be retarded to drive. What transmission are you destroying? Its crazy to think that I could probably make numbers like that if I stopped being a vagina and turned up the boost.

I have been running the stock 1.6L Trans since I was 16...6 years, 4 of those years have been over 270 whp, drag racing etc. never any problems.\\ Turn up the boost pussy

Kelford 272 cams, correct? Flat torque to 7000rpm is nuts.

Dyno pulls starting at 3500rpm make me cry at night, though. It's pretty clear they tune 1000+whp Supras and nothing else. Take it back and ask them to do a pull from 2000rpm so we can get a full look at what the torque curve looks like.

Yes, 272 Kelfords the torque was still going up. That dip at the end is where he lifted at 7,000 on that run, the run to 7,500 it started to flatten, horsepower still looked like it was rising. I may do a run starting that low, if there is a dyno day around here sometime, with the bigger turbo and short runner manifold I think I wouldn't be anything to look at though.

Wooh! I am so glad to see some great numbers. So much power at only 18psi and is this 93 pump? Sorry if you mentioned it already, I looked and didn't see it.

How is the drivability? I can only imagine what it's like in boost, but how is stop and go driving with those cams?

1.6 for life! I can't wait to be making this kind of power next year, it's gonna happen...

Good god! Wheres the videos!

Drivability is near stock, if I remember correctly what a stock Miata feels like. Transition into boost is seamless also. The cams on the other hand, are not too bad--for me anyway. The idle about 900-1,000 RPM but really really loppy, and on cold starts you need to give the car gas for a bit so it doesn't die.

I think its safe to say that you have if not the highest 1.6 miata hp record then right up there.

Congrats. That is some serious ass power

From me looking around seems about right, I will claim it until someone proves me otherwise! Thanks!

Nicely done, Clap clap clap clap! Those are some incredible numbers for a b6. Congrats!

What's the length on your IM runners?

Wow. Just wow. Ill echo everyone else and say POST VIDEOS NOW! Highway vids preferably :)

he's got Jays old flipside mani iirc
Short as hell

Nope, not my old manifold.

Get some video of you on the wangan. 何故作ったかと言うと、みんなが、オイル交換だけでも気軽にお店に来れて、すぐに対応できて、尚且つ下廻り 点検もキミ君達の前でやってあげちゃおうと思って、リフトも２基設けたんだ。下廻りなんか普段 なかなか見れ

Supra is for dinner!

I just got back from a cruise was having a lot of boost creep, like accidentally hit 24 psi a few times before boost cut. Looks like I am going to have to send my manifold to ARTech this winter for an upgrade to a bigger wastegate opening. Not sure if I should do with the Tial 44MM MVR or something else, maybe fab it up so I can run another 38MM MVS? http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1725&page=1 This one looks really nice.
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nevermind then.
musta confused him with someone else.
my bad

Sooo inspiring, Cant wait till i can finally get my 1.6 to the dyno.
Aiming for 300+wrhp at LEAST

Oh. My. God.

What spring do you have in your wastegate? What is your boost control?

You have a good hot and coldside manifolds and cams and that obviously accounts for of your #s but FUCK your turbo is efficient too. In addition to having the 1.6 record you might have one of the overall best (for power) turbo setups out there. Seriously dewd, go on back to the shop and show eliminator a thing or to and do a 600whp dyno pull.

that is fucking awesome gj dude. I am impressed

Were you getting any boost creep on the dyno?

Wow. I am impressed. Time to invest in chassis stiffening and some safety equipment.

I have a 1 bar spring in the wastegate right now, it was hitting solid 18 pounds on the dyno, so that was assume 4 psi of creep? I just think a 38MM is too small to flow the power I am running.

Thanks man! I will have a 600 whp pull soon enough, I still have to change a few things before I attempt a pull like that lol. I actually have my MBC turned off and running straight off my 1 bar spring. Before a high power pull I am going to get:
ATI Damp
Re-do my fuel system (which I have)
PRO EFI w/Flex Fuel system
E85
DSS axles
Quafe Trans

Well I have my roll bar welded to the chassis, that has help a lot with stiffness, I am going to get harness next. Maybe door bars in the future for a full 6 point cage, I want to keep the car streetable right now.

The reason that I ask is because it will change how your dyno graph will look. A dyno run that starts at 14 and creeps to 18 will look a lot different than a run that hits 18 and holds steady for the full pull. Since you're fully built, you should be able to run a steady 18+ for the full pull.

A friend of mine said he saw your car at Strats last night (guy with a silver exoX). Said he was really impressed with your car.

Well according to the tuner it never creeped to 18 psi, it just held rock solid, this could have been due to temps etc, on the street on the other hand it's like I have zero boost control, I ease into the throttle 4th gear and it just swings way too high without and stopping. It's weird, and this is straight off the spring. After some research a 38MM is way too small, I need a 44MM+ It was also very, very cold outside last night, compared to the day. I will have to take the car out today and see what's up it's going to be 70+

Sweet, I think I remember seening that car up there also. Strats was sort of lame last night, a lot of rice.

That is sort of the norm for Strats though isn't it? Lots of people looking to either steal your car, hustle a race or sit around on their park bench wings.

Ridiculously awesome numbers though :)

I just figured out why it was overboosting like hell last night, two screws in the wastegate are now missing lol, so I guess I will have to fix that today.

awesome numbers!!!! cant wait to see a vid :D

Your numbers are really, REALLY high. Which turbo are you running?

Also, which ECU are you running and why are you so sold on switching to the EFI?

I am running a Billet PTE 5857 .63 hotside, with AEM EMS. I am going to switch to PRO EFI because of it's flex fuel sensor, something the AEM cannot due. It automatically calculates octane and fuel and adjusts your map, timing, and boost according to what it reads. For instance, if I don't have an E85 station close by and I have E85 in tank, if I put 93 in it will adjust my map, timing boost etc for the fuel. It's really advanced trick stuff. I don't recommend E85 with AEM EMS for a street car for the simple problem that if you want to go on a long trip and there isn't a E85 station around you're basically SOL

Also, I fixed my boost problem. It was two missing screws from my wastegate which basically was like I didn't have one, must have came undone on the way home from the shop. But I got on her for the first time in first/second gear and OMFG..it's insane.

The MS2 does supports a flex fuel sensor, you know. :)

MS maps (tuning tables) are only 12x12 where as the PRO EFI are 128x128. Plus a bunch of other things the MS does not have, such as a built in MAP sensor with unlimited range, etc etc a MS would be a downgrade for my AEM EMS, let alone a Pro EFI ECU... It's so big though lol, http://proefi.com/images/img_5016_s7v8.jpg

holy shit! 128x128... no wonder the thing is the size of texas lol jk.... i would hate to tune that map.... that sounds like one crazy ecu...

My tuner said it takes all day to tune lol, and he tuned my car in 1.5 hours and yes it is the size of a house lol...he had on in a Whippled 03 Cobra that was in the shop it took up the whole passenger side dash, I most likely would have to put it behind the seat or something who knows?

Its not the size of the tables that makes the car take so long to tune, its other stuff like CLT and IAT curves, knock sampling and tuning (lots of time), and then all the other stuff my underdeveloped brain does not understand. Anyone can click "interpolate" and tune a table.

38mm should be fine. I have a tial 38mm on my galant and works great up to 26psi. thats with a turbonetics t3/t4 60 trim .63 hotside like yours. that's also 2.0l with an open wastegate and 4" exhaust, port/polished head, Webb cams 276 int./exh. , and 8,500 rpm redline. if it works on my car, it's plenty for your 1.6.
awesome power btw.

^^ Yeah, it's fine for now, two bolts just came loose and that's why I had no boost control last night. I am thinking of going to a dynojet so I can say I made 460-470 whp lol

Holy fucking cock- from the pro efi website:


"The best 1/8th mile pass of the weekend was a 4.65@170.8mph":

Anyways, seriously, are you really going to put all that fresh $ into an ECU and tunage? I mean, what is the hourly rate of that supra shop? Please just say fuck that and just go for 700hp and a 1.6 record for all engines excluding F1.

You know and I hear MS3 is even better.

Yes, and also, there are lots of high hp cars that are using megasquirt. Fuck that expensive EMS- just use what u got.

Tuning rate is $200 an hr, full set-up of the ECU with flex fuel is $2995 plus the boomslang harness that would have to be made on my car, so maybe $3500 total + tuning, plus supporting mods=$6,000+ to lay down 600 whp. I could go all out, like 700+ whp but that means a new turbo etc, which is too much money. I don't think 700 whp would be very streetable in a car that is alittle over 2000 pounds lol, shit I don't even think 600 whp would be.