ecc3189

Just wanted to get a sanity check from you guys. New MSPNP ecu from Brain just installed. Purrs like a kitten when it idles on the base tune Brain loaded and runs smoothly in all gear and under boost.

I tried letting it autotune today and the passenger watched it consistently hit 7.6 AFR (idles at 10.3) and there was an error message on the autotune screen saying "Sensor out of range". The tune got worse and worse as we drove and cleared up when I restarted the car back on base tune.

The reason I got the new ECU was to datalog and figure out my overheating issue. I am starting to think that the old ecu was also tuning the car too lean and that is why I was getting over heating and glowing manifolds.

So, having cleaned the WB02 sensor last year when I was trying to diagnose things, do you guys suggest I just get a new sensor? It idles rich for sure so could have very easily gotten fouled. A quick google search has people suggesting replacing over cleaning since cleaning doesn't always work.

Thanks for any advice!

acedeuce802

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Have you tried to tune it leaner? Autotune is going to work better when you're at least relatively close to your target.

ecc3189

No, I hadn't gotten that far. Just working off of an initial gut feeling that the sensor might be bad. If the sensor is reading 7.6 AFR under load, could that be normal?

acedeuce802

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If the engine is not experiencing 7.6 AFR, then no, it's not normal. I doubt it would run well at that AFR, does it?

ecc3189

it runs pretty smoothly on the base tune, just some hickups at light load/throttle. It just runs rough when it starts to autotune

gooflophaze

Your wideband isn't giving a valid signal. If you were really at 7.6 AFR, your engine would be flooded. At 10 AFR you should be belching black smoke.

Don't touch the tuning until you figure out whats up with the wideband.

aidandj

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What wideband. If its an innovate then 7.6 is their full rich reading. It could be richer than 7.6 and you won't know.

ecc3189

Thanks! This is what I wanted to hear since I don't know much about tuning and what values mean what for the engine. I will order a new o2 sensor when i get home and verify which one I have in my car.

ecc3189

It is an LC-1 but I saw they have two types (4.9 and 4.2) so I will have to check. Good to know that 7.6 is its bottom range stop.

Braineack

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Just have an LC1 and no dash gauge?

ecc3189

The Dash gauge in there now is a colored bar that fluctuates back and forth between lean and rich and has never filled me with confidence on its accuracy. No actual numbers to verify with.

shuiend

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Buy a new wideband O2 sensor. Either an MXT-L or an AEM EUGO. Quick dicking around around an lc-1.

Braineack

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yeah it's 7.35-23.4:1 range.

double check the AFR calibration is set to innovate default.

ecc3189

Hmm, I'll check the calibration settings when I get home. Why no love for the LC-1 Shuiend?

shuiend

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Because they are old and shitty. You can't tell what it is actually reading compared to what TS shows. Every other wideband I have tried has had a slight offset in TS compared to the gauge for the wideband. Usually it is a small offset but you can calibrate the MS to read correctly. With the LC-1 that is next to impossible to do due to not knowing what it is actually outputting. I used LC-1 way back in the day. Now I won't touch one.

ecc3189

I'll look into those other two sensors then, thanks!

shuiend

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They are both around $150 on Amazon prime. Much cheaper then a new motor. Both will use the newest Bosch wideband sensor.

x_25

Have you done a free air calibration like Innovate reccomends you do every so often? My friend bought a car with an LC2 in it and it would read max lean aby time you weren't in boost and max rich any time you were. A calibration cleared it right up.

ecc3189

I did back when I cleaned it last year and I might try it after checking calibration and giving it one last clean to avoid buying new. If all else fails then I might just swap it out for the MXT-L

x_25

The manual says to calibrate it when a new sensor is installed and again 3 months after that. Then, for a turbo car, every 6 months or 10k miles whichever comes first.