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Old 04-26-2016, 09:10 AM   #21
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MS3 is the answer.
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Why is MS3 basic better than MS2E? I have poured over threads and data and it seems like the MS2E actually has more "stuff".

From my research these are the items that jump out at me:

MS2E:
-MS2E offers OBDII feedback, which I like because I have a scangauge and it's nice to have that port to do a quick scan from for data.
-MS2E has immobilizer support (do I care?)
-MS2E has onboard baro (do I need that?)
-EGT (do I need that?)
-Full A/C support
-PS support
-Various inputs for switches (clutch, brake, etc.)
-Less powerful processor and way less memory

MS3 Basic:
-VVT control: I have an MSM, so no VVT to worry about.
-SD card would be nice, but not necessary
-USB would be convenient but not necessary
-Limp mode
-RTC - not sure if necessary
-traction control - would be nice, but I've lived without it for all this time and haven't needed it
-ALS - not sure what this is
-More powerful processor and way more memory

What am I missing as to why everyone is saying go with the MS3?
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the ms3 basic from rev is not the only ms3 available just keep that in mind.
there's lots of little things in the ms3 that are cooler and make tuning easier and more efficient. I'll see if I can dig up an old discussion to post up, I don't have the energy to list it all.
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Why is MS3 basic better than MS2E? I have poured over threads and data and it seems like the MS2E actually has more "stuff".

From my research these are the items that jump out at me:

MS2E:
-MS2E offers OBDII feedback, which I like because I have a scangauge and it's nice to have that port to do a quick scan from for data.
-MS2E has immobilizer support (do I care?)
-MS2E has onboard baro (do I need that?)
-EGT (do I need that?)
-Full A/C support
-PS support
-Various inputs for switches (clutch, brake, etc.)
-Less powerful processor and way less memory

MS3 Basic:
-VVT control: I have an MSM, so no VVT to worry about.
-SD card would be nice, but not necessary
-USB would be convenient but not necessary
-Limp mode
-RTC - not sure if necessary
-traction control - would be nice, but I've lived without it for all this time and haven't needed it
-ALS - not sure what this is
-More powerful processor and way more memory

What am I missing as to why everyone is saying go with the MS3?
You are looking at just a list of what things can or can't do. Not how they do them, or the options available for them. The MS2 is like a Playstation 3, while the MS3 is like a Playstation 4. Both let you play games, but only one is currently getting the new features. The number of available inputs and outputs on a MS2 is far less then whats available on a MS3. Overall there is nothing short of the OBDII stuff that a MS3 won't do better then the MS2E you are looking at. Even the OBDII can be done with the module from Reverant if you really want it. But why would I use a scan gauge when I can just hook my phone to the MS get even more data. We are recommending a MS3, your tuner is recommending a MS3. Why do you keep fighting it.
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the difference in technology/evolution between the two is what, like 4 years?
that's an eternity in software/computer age
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the difference in technology/evolution between the two is what, like 4 years?
that's an eternity in software/computer age
MS2 was first released in 2005, MS3 was first released mid 2010.
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MS2 was roughly 2005, MS3 was 2010.
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The ms3 with can bus has some obd2 capabilities.
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I'm struggling to understand why anyone would want obd2 output.
Like shuiend said, why would you want some janky scangauge outputting a handful of stats when you can haz TS showing you literally everything, with the ability to adjust on the fly?

If said OBD2 output would be able to fool readiness monitors and smog devices, then I'd be seriously impressed.
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Thanks. I agree with you, FM is the easy button but you pay for it.

I'm researching constantly, and every time I dig into it I get more confused. I'll spend some time on the DIYautotune site.
Living in Indy, the easiest button option for you is to drop the car off at Dynosty in Louisville and have Hal set you up with a Haltech. Almost all the miata guys around Louisville are running Haltechs and love them. You won't find much miata-specific forum talk about Haltechs because their documentation and support are almost non-existant compared to megasquirt, but the Haltech ECUs are extremely capable and Hal knows everything about them. Call Hal at Dynosty or Aaron at The Winning Formula if you want to learn more.

If you want to do the install and tuning yourself, Megasquirt all the way. The documentation and internet support can't be beat. I chose megasquirt for this reason. If you want easy button- drop the car off, pick it up tuned and running perfectly, never think about it again- go to Dynosty.
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Why is MS3 basic better than MS2E? I have poured over threads and data and it seems like the MS2E actually has more "stuff".

From my research these are the items that jump out at me:

MS2E:
-MS2E offers OBDII feedback, which I like because I have a scangauge and it's nice to have that port to do a quick scan from for data.
-MS2E has immobilizer support (do I care?)
-MS2E has onboard baro (do I need that?)
-EGT (do I need that?)
-Full A/C support
-PS support
-Various inputs for switches (clutch, brake, etc.)
-Less powerful processor and way less memory
-MS3 Basic with a CAN Wideband/OBDII module also offers OBDII
-Immobilizer support is nice, but not necessary
-The latest batch of MS3 Basics have onboard baro
-No EGT, but it's easy to add a standalone gauge and the ECU doesn't really need to see it
-MS3 has sufficient A/C support
-I've never seen a need for idle-up with PS with my MS3 Basic, even on the big 245/40s in parking lots

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What am I missing as to why everyone is saying go with the MS3?
The biggest thing is future support. MS3 is the current platform, so all community-driven development is going to go into the MS3.
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EGT can be easily implemented with one of the many CAN-bus egt modules. I think Rev has one along with DIYAutotune
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Living in Indy, the easiest button option for you is to drop the car off at Dynosty in Louisville and have Hal set you up with a Haltech. Almost all the miata guys around Louisville are running Haltechs and love them. You won't find much miata-specific forum talk about Haltechs because their documentation and support are almost non-existant compared to megasquirt, but the Haltech ECUs are extremely capable and Hal knows everything about them. Call Hal at Dynosty or Aaron at The Winning Formula if you want to learn more.

If you want to do the install and tuning yourself, Megasquirt all the way. The documentation and internet support can't be beat. I chose megasquirt for this reason. If you want easy button- drop the car off, pick it up tuned and running perfectly, never think about it again- go to Dynosty.
AIM Tuning in Indianapolis tunes Megasquirts. Have not worked with them directly but have heard lots of good things about them.
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AIM Tuning in Indianapolis tunes Megasquirts. Have not worked with them directly but have heard lots of good things about them.
Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I'll go with the MS3. I was worried I'd be missing out on some features from the MS2E, but you all have squashed my concerns.

And AIM Tuning is where I'm taking it to be tuned. I've heard lots of good things about Shane.

Now the wait...
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Just wanted to post a quick follow up. I received the MS3 Basic from Rev within about 5 weeks. I just installed it today and it started right up on the first crank. Unbelievable. I did a quick test drive around the neighborhood and got some boost built up and it ran amazingly well. It's a little down on power because the base tune is really rich, but safe. It feels so foreign, but so nice, to drive this car without the stock hesitation that I've lived with for two years.

Now to get it tuned and get those extra horses back.
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You should really stay out of boost until you get it tuned.
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MSM owner with little enchilada that recently went through same deliberation. I went with MSPNPro because Hydra software seemed daunting and their website hasn't been updated in about ten years. On stock injectors it started on first crank and ran well. After upgrading to id1000 had to learn to tune idle and it takes some tinkering. Overall I'm happy with the choice and have received good support via email from Matt Cramer on a few questions. I purchased from 949 racing because the price was same as DIYPNP but I had spent on suspension and wheels with them to get 5% discount. If you go this route I strongly recommend getting the Singular Motorsports mounting bracket and waiting until it ships. Working under steering wheel sucks and installing with zip ties is BS. The bracket gives a factory-like install.
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I don't think the bracket would fit the ms3 basic. The casing is smaller. Best to contact Goodwin/Singular.
I am waiting for some 3m dual lock.
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If you go this route I strongly recommend getting the Singular Motorsports mounting bracket and waiting until it ships. Working under steering wheel sucks and installing with zip ties is BS. The bracket gives a factory-like install.
I strongly agree with this statement. I mounted with zip ties to the steering column. It's crap. I could probably tinker with it long enough to get it to work, but would always bug me and I wouldn't trust it on the track. I will be making some brackets to work with the factory mounting points.
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Yeah I always recommend that to NB users.
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