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Old Apr 24, 2010 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by y8s
well that snowballed. i just wanted to point out that it could be done with the CAS.
Heh. Forums are for talking. What did you expect. :-P


Originally Posted by richyvrlimited
I have all the 2001 sensors and my MSII I built 2 opamp circuits for the CAS inputs. it works great, and I'm wont to 'fix' something that isn't broken, BTDT...

I've not researched into the mods required for the MK2 inputs, but I've read of people having lots of issues, true? Or will my two opamps suffice?!
Oh yeah, if you've got opamps on there already, then it's a no brainer - the op-amp input was originally used FOR the MK-II sensors, that's how it found it's way into the miata world (more correctly: I popped open my OEM ECU and copied the circuits I found there)... So you're running the official NB circuit readout, you can't ask for more. Really, it should be no trouble at all. It's never as easy as it seems but I would suspect you're looking at 10 minutes of wiring under the hood, you'd never need to open the MS.
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Savington
...it might be soon. Ever measured the timing slop that occurs from your CAS? How close are you to the detonation threshold? How much power are you giving up by using a cam triggered sensor vs. a crank triggered sensor?
Miles away, I'm sure I'm giving up a smidge of power, but stating it's likely to break soon is a bit wide of the mark. If that were the case the 5's engine wouldn't be reputed to take boost so well :P

again I'm not denying a crank trigger is better, but atm I'm fed up on messing with the car for little gain, I'm trying to cencentrate on reliability/drivability.
Old Apr 25, 2010 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AbeFM
Oh yeah, if you've got opamps on there already, then it's a no brainer - the op-amp input was originally used FOR the MK-II sensors, that's how it found it's way into the miata world (more correctly: I popped open my OEM ECU and copied the circuits I found there)... So you're running the official NB circuit readout, you can't ask for more. Really, it should be no trouble at all. It's never as easy as it seems but I would suspect you're looking at 10 minutes of wiring under the hood, you'd never need to open the MS.
-Abe.
now that I like the sound of, I can take my time doing the wiring/sensors under the hood, I can even route/source the signals from the CAS plug, cheers Abe!
Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:26 AM
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Any new updates on when this board should be released?
Old Apr 28, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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As long as the VVT advance doesn't put you past the crank tooth (I believe Y8s showed it does not) then you should be able to use the OEM sensors just fine. You should be able to switch back and forth no problem, then change one setting in software and see how it goes. Personally, I love tests where you can undo them if they go horrifically wrong. :-) Post in my board thread or spark inputs thread. There will be plenty of folks anxious to help - and I've got some potential customers who want to run my board (op-amp inputs) on their VVT motors.
Old Apr 28, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AbeFM
As long as the VVT advance doesn't put you past the crank tooth (I believe Y8s showed it does not) then you should be able to use the OEM sensors just fine.
Twas me but ya.

Personally, I love tests where you can undo them if they go horrifically wrong.
Don't you wish you could do the same for things like getting married, having a kid, taking that job or buying that house?
Old Apr 29, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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So far the house has been working out. The girl is another mater. :-)
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[Update]Still awaiting arrival of the final boards :-/ .[/Update]
Old May 8, 2010 | 08:28 AM
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Appreciate the updates

I'm mid conversion to MK2 sensors
Old May 8, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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Glad to hear it, it'll pay off! Sit there with an timing light and you'll know.

https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquirt-18/abe-jasoncs-nb-cam-crank-input-circuits-25789/

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Old May 8, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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CHeers Abe, my CPK and CMK circuits are as per the MSII guide

http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/MS2-Extra_4g63.htm

so I do't think I need to do much bar wire the two sensors up and change the software settings.

I'm just taking my sweet time making a nice harness
Old May 9, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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I'd highly recommend the dual op-amp circuit talked about in the other thread and used with great success (several folks have built this circuit and seen their drops and cut outs stop) in my adapterboard (several folks are driving around with it happily).

Again, we're cluttering up this guy's thread, let's start a new one? Either way, good luck and I'll be happy to help any time via IM, email, or a subscribed thread.
Old Jun 18, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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Just pulling this up to ask if there's been any progress on the VVT controller.
Old Jun 20, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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It's like waiting for Duke Nukem Forever/GT5 this :P
Old Jun 20, 2010 | 11:58 PM
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I installed the final board revision in the car a week ago and have been testing it through last weekend's auto-x and the duration of the week. I was hoping the latest software revision was going to be "the one" but it's hit a snag. I believe that I corrected it this weekend, but we'll see. I put 50 miles worth of various logs on the car and controller today. It's funny how different the car is with the OCV disconnected.

The two major items on my punch list are as follows:
-Reliable and solid bootloader operation
-Help File/Manual

My goal is to have all said and done no later than next month, if not sooner.

The latest setup that I have yet to post:
Old Jun 21, 2010 | 05:16 PM
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heh that looks really prefessional. Great job!
Old Jun 21, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Looks like an MS box to me.

Just worry about how intense the wiring for it would be, i bought an MSPNP to get away from that. >.>;
Old Jun 21, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nagase
Looks like an MS box to me.

Just worry about how intense the wiring for it would be, i bought an MSPNP to get away from that. >.>;
The wiring is pretty straight forward and, like the MS, it incorporates a D-style connector, but only 15 pins. I used this connector for overall availability and price (especially in low quantities) and size. The same pretty much goes for the enclosure. I wonder if B&G had a similar thought process when originally developing their box. I had no intentions of making it look like the MS, but it just happened to work out that way.

In all, everything will be documented in the included help file .
Old Jun 22, 2010 | 03:14 PM
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Kevin,

Does it have the circuit built in to directly understand the stock cam and crank sensors? If so will I be able to have the signals then goto MS without needing to build the circuitry for it?
Old Jun 22, 2010 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by shuiend
Kevin,

Does it have the circuit built in to directly understand the stock cam and crank sensors? If so will I be able to have the signals then goto MS without needing to build the circuitry for it?
That's correct. You can set the controller to output either an NA CAS signal or an NB cam/crank signal to the MS. In other words, you won't have to change a thing on your MS if you're currently using a CAS and furthermore, won't have to build any additional hardware.

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