1.6 VS 1.8 TURBO BUILD
06-13-2019, 03:03 PM
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1.6 VS 1.8 TURBO BUILD
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New to the form and still doing my research but I wanted to reach out with a question and say hello as well. I currently have a NA ( 90) 1.6 long noise crank motor. the motor has roughly 40k miles on it. the car itself has 95k on it. The car is in great shape and I do use it to commute back and forth to work with. I am no rookie to engine building or modifying cars, but I am new to the Miata world. I am on the fence if I should just boost the 1.6 or bite the bullet and invest in a 1.8. any recommendations or links are greatly appreciated. I know the diff is one of the first things that goes and my priority is the diff, followed by the clutch ( If I keep the 1.6 and boost it ), then the boost or motor depending on my path forwards. my goal is anywhere between 200 to 250 whp. Of course a compression test is on the list before I do anything to the 1.6. Just getting a rough game plan. Appreciate the help and recommendations.
New to the form and still doing my research but I wanted to reach out with a question and say hello as well. I currently have a NA ( 90) 1.6 long noise crank motor. the motor has roughly 40k miles on it. the car itself has 95k on it. The car is in great shape and I do use it to commute back and forth to work with. I am no rookie to engine building or modifying cars, but I am new to the Miata world. I am on the fence if I should just boost the 1.6 or bite the bullet and invest in a 1.8. any recommendations or links are greatly appreciated. I know the diff is one of the first things that goes and my priority is the diff, followed by the clutch ( If I keep the 1.6 and boost it ), then the boost or motor depending on my path forwards. my goal is anywhere between 200 to 250 whp. Of course a compression test is on the list before I do anything to the 1.6. Just getting a rough game plan. Appreciate the help and recommendations.
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06-13-2019, 07:16 PM
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You can boost a 1.6L to a reliable 200-230hp. Is it optimal? No.
Most here will tell you a 1.8L is a better engine in every way. Boosted or not.
Do you have a minimum of $4-5k budget to reliably boost your 1.6L?
Most here will tell you a 1.8L is a better engine in every way. Boosted or not.
Do you have a minimum of $4-5k budget to reliably boost your 1.6L?
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06-14-2019, 06:35 AM
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Ive heard both ways. some people say the 1.8 is the way to go. others say the 1.6 will hold boost better than the 1.8. so honestly this question is worth asking especially when there is multiple answers out there. I mean the form is designed to be able to ask questions that are not sure of, get an answer from people that have experienced it. I understand read read read. but everyone has different views and opinions on every subject or issue. So why not just ask?
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06-14-2019, 09:19 AM
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This is something I am trying to figure out from builders with that experience. I have been told from a Miata owner that the 1.6 is a stronger engine for boost I don't know his reasoning but my assumption is based on the cylinder walls being thicker on the 1.6 vs the 1.8. but like I said I don't know its just an assumption.
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06-14-2019, 09:57 AM
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The 1.6 and 1.8 work exactly the same for boost and have the same limits. The limits are the rods which are exactly the same. The benefit of the 1.8 is that you get a good upgrade in mid-range torque and spool with zero difference in build costs.
If you have a 1.6 and it has healthy compression then it will be fine to boost. Order a MKTurbo setup from me. Get it all within a week or two. Install it all and enjoy boost. When you feel like upgrading to the 1.8 all you have to do is swap to my 1.8 manifold.
If you have a 1.6 and it has healthy compression then it will be fine to boost. Order a MKTurbo setup from me. Get it all within a week or two. Install it all and enjoy boost. When you feel like upgrading to the 1.8 all you have to do is swap to my 1.8 manifold.
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06-14-2019, 10:34 AM
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so honestly this question is worth asking especially when there is multiple answers out there. I mean the form is designed to be able to ask questions that are not sure of, get an answer from people that have experienced it. I understand read read read. but everyone has different views and opinions on every subject or issue. So why not just ask?
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06-14-2019, 12:15 PM
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Just because I am still doing my research doesn't mean you cant ask the question to get more opinions. People come up with new results daily both tuning and the build process. I am sure there are 1.6 Miata's out there that are turboed and running strong at good hp numbers that wont say anything because they will get bashed. I don't understand the concept of not asking a question that has multiple opinions and results because there are other people that have asked. I am here to learn from people that have experienced both sides and why so when I do my build I can adapt that knowledge.
This is something I am trying to figure out from builders with that experience. I have been told from a Miata owner that the 1.6 is a stronger engine for boost I don't know his reasoning but my assumption is based on the cylinder walls being thicker on the 1.6 vs the 1.8. but like I said I don't know its just an assumption.
This is something I am trying to figure out from builders with that experience. I have been told from a Miata owner that the 1.6 is a stronger engine for boost I don't know his reasoning but my assumption is based on the cylinder walls being thicker on the 1.6 vs the 1.8. but like I said I don't know its just an assumption.
I have turbo 1.6 with decent power. Its a waste and there is a reason i am building a 1.8. Seriously stop this debate. YOU WANT A 1.8 if you know it or not 1.8 IS WHAT YOU WANT. dont do the 1.6 becuae 1.8 IS WHAT YOU WANT.
But that is just my opinion because i have a 1.6 now
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06-14-2019, 04:25 PM
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From my experience with starting with a 1990 a few years ago and where I am today if I could do it all over again I would sell the 1.6 and start off from a solid platform of the newer 1.8 with a torsen diff and a 6-speed tranny, better brakes, better clutch. All of these things you will eventually want to upgrade on your 1.6. Granted, yes, all of those things will bolt up to your 1.6 but the money spent to buy all of those upgrades you could've straight out bought yourself a whole car by the time you're done upgrading all that ****. My buddy bought his 1.8L Miata with a lot of those upgrades already installed for $1,600. I've spent more than that on upgrading the engine and diff alone.
I think the only thing the Na6 has going for it is the pop-up headlights which you can still have with the Na8.
So my final opinion: Unless your 1.6 has some sentimental value to you, like you lost your virginity in it or something, ditch that thing. Get a proper 1.8L na8 or NB. If you live in Cali then get a '96 so you can have a standalone ECU and not worry about that stupid OBD II b.s.
Oh and read this thread. Lots of good info in it.
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...k-links-56507/
I think the only thing the Na6 has going for it is the pop-up headlights which you can still have with the Na8.
So my final opinion: Unless your 1.6 has some sentimental value to you, like you lost your virginity in it or something, ditch that thing. Get a proper 1.8L na8 or NB. If you live in Cali then get a '96 so you can have a standalone ECU and not worry about that stupid OBD II b.s.
Oh and read this thread. Lots of good info in it.
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...k-links-56507/
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06-14-2019, 05:07 PM
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Wait for a 1.8 to pop up, decent amount of $$$/Time that can be saved to get your 1.6 ready for boost, learn from my mistake...
1.6 Cons
- Diff
- Axles
- Early 1.6 no tps
- Slower spool
- .2 displacement missing
P.s In this forum there is such thing as a stupid question... This would be one of them.
Read about 3-5 different threads about your questions before you ask.
1.6 Cons
- Diff
- Axles
- Early 1.6 no tps
- Slower spool
- .2 displacement missing
P.s In this forum there is such thing as a stupid question... This would be one of them.
Read about 3-5 different threads about your questions before you ask.
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06-18-2019, 05:09 AM
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The discussion around a turbo build for 1.6. and 1.8 is a non starter.
Thousands of threads demonstrate this and coming here of ALL places asking this you are going to have a very bad time.
This forum doesn't deal well with people who do not research. You are one of those people.
It has already begun to devolve into mocking because of this.
Please understand the major people here have been racing turbo miata/mx5 for well over a decade and are quite possibly the most knowledgeable people on earth for it.
You may not have read every thread but you should have a firm grasp and ask for specific information only.
Building a 1.6 turbo is not a bad thing it is just not optimal.
So unless limited by class or something else go with the 1.8 for better options.
It is that simple really.
This is not true. The BP engine is very well known and people like Emilio and Savington have exploited everything there is as well as improving everything worthwhile. Anything left is likely snake oil.
This sort of reply will only make this thread less helpful because you are telling people (not me) that actually know and can prove it with empirical evidence that they and all their customers are wrong.
You are going to have a bad time.
Thousands of threads demonstrate this and coming here of ALL places asking this you are going to have a very bad time.
This forum doesn't deal well with people who do not research. You are one of those people.
It has already begun to devolve into mocking because of this.
Please understand the major people here have been racing turbo miata/mx5 for well over a decade and are quite possibly the most knowledgeable people on earth for it.
You may not have read every thread but you should have a firm grasp and ask for specific information only.
Building a 1.6 turbo is not a bad thing it is just not optimal.
So unless limited by class or something else go with the 1.8 for better options.
It is that simple really.
This sort of reply will only make this thread less helpful because you are telling people (not me) that actually know and can prove it with empirical evidence that they and all their customers are wrong.
You are going to have a bad time.
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