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Old 01-09-2013, 02:48 PM   #41
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you can stay stoich in boost (what do you think OEMs do?), but no matter, and they still wouldn't hit it.
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I think what hes getting at is that even though you are adding more fuel, you are also adding more air.

Also, you dont need to tune for MAXIMUM TORKS when trying to pass emissions.
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I don't mind wrenching on my car every 2 years to pass emissions if it means my view of the mountains isn't interrupted by terrible smog and there is still wildlife living in my backyard.
We have no emissions testing at all in Florida and our air is crystal clear. Even in our metro areas.
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you wanna know what oems tune for rich during warmup?
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Noob, let this be a lesson to you. Dont ask questions like that around here - it angers up the blood.
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We have no emissions testing at all in Florida and our air is crystal clear. Even in our metro areas.
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you can stay stoich in boost (what do you think OEMs do?), but no matter, and they still wouldn't hit it.
OEMs have more resources than an LC-1. Trying to do this without spending months on a dyno. If I admit I was wrong will you tell me if I can just open my wastegate and plug in the stock computer for testing?
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We have no emissions testing at all in Florida and our air is crystal clear. Even in our metro areas.
that's gotta be the most retarded argument I've ever heard. Same as the Coloradoan saying "Man, I don't have to worry about hurricanes, why should you??"
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that's gotta be the most retarded argument I've ever heard. Same as the Coloradoan saying "Man, I don't have to worry about hurricanes, why should you??"
Funny I saw no argumentative statement in the original quote. I must be blind. I read it as a comment similar to Brain's random comments. More like a Florida>Colorado thing.
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More like a Florida>Colorado thing.

Florida followed by the greater than symbol, now THAT'S funny.
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OEMs have more resources than an LC-1. Trying to do this without spending months on a dyno. If I admit I was wrong will you tell me if I can just open my wastegate and plug in the stock computer for testing?
Actually most OEM cars run on a narrowband. So they in fact have an inferior sensor reading the mixture to work off.

What these guys are trying to tell you is that it is in fact absolutely possible to pass the sniffer with proper tuning, and they're right.
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Funny I saw no argumentative statement in the original quote. I must be blind. I read it as a comment similar to Brain's random comments. More like a Florida>Colorado thing.
Funny how the words "argument" and "argumentative" both have a negative connotation. Any sort of statement of opinion or fact -- anything that makes any sort of point can be considered an argument, whether it is confrontational (the world you meant to use instead of argumentative) or not is a different story. You were making the point that even though your state does not have emissions testing, you have clean air. This, in response to his statement that his state's emissions regulations are the reason that they still have clean air and a clear view of the MOUNTAINS.

Your statement insinuated that he's being a **** by suggesting that things as trivial as emissions regulations are responsible in some way for his clean air. That, sir, is both an argument, and mildly confrontational. And, as stated earlier, retarded.



Although if all you meant to do was make a random useless statement, then you succeeded in spades and I have wasted precious brainpower here. Precious.
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Florida is awesome. Beaches, theme parks, no emissions laws, no local/state income taxes, great weather, great business climate, I could go on... I live in Pinellas County as well so we haven't been hit by a hurricane in around 20 years. It is a vacation destination for a reason.

I learned recently to that contrary to all logic we have some very technical mountain biking courses according to some friends who are into that stuff. They claimed they were some of the best they had been on in the country. I called major bullshit but they were very confident and have traveled around the country doing it so maybe they are right. Total elevation change is only like 30-50 feet or some **** but the trails themselves are huge and "technical" whatever that means.

EDIT: I see how you could have viewed my statement as you did but I do, in fact, understand how mountains trap smog so it was more of a random statement.
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Actually most OEM cars run on a narrowband. So they in fact have an inferior sensor reading the mixture to work off.

What these guys are trying to tell you is that it is in fact absolutely possible to pass the sniffer with proper tuning, and they're right.
Yeah but in their R&D facilities they have every machine known to man...that's why OEM cars only have narrowbands.

It's absolutely possible to pass a two speed idle sniffer, yeah. It's possible to pass the complex test maybe in theory, but no one has done it in practice.
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Oh, so you called FM and asked them about how they and their customers are passing sniff tests?
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Oh, so you called FM and asked them about how they and their customers are passing sniff tests?
They are in Grand Junction which does not follow the same emissions standards as the Denver metro area.

They say their kits will pass the tailpipe sniffer test, and in their area that is the same idle test you pass.
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okay you win. it's impossible. sell the car and buy a lexus please stop using mt.net for help miata help.
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Haha wish you just said that after post #22, we'd be at the same place we are now. I guess we're all more educated about emissions testing now though, so hopefully people won't generalize anymore!

Not very good place for help as I've asked a simple question 3 times in this thread an no one even said "maybe."
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Yeah but in their R&D facilities they have every machine known to man...that's why OEM cars only have narrowbands.

It's absolutely possible to pass a two speed idle sniffer, yeah. It's possible to pass the complex test maybe in theory, but no one has done it in practice.
Here in CA we have the idle, the 15, and I think the 25 or 30 or something. So not that much different from yours
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Florida is awesome. Beaches, theme parks, no emissions laws, no local/state income taxes, great weather, great business climate, I could go on... I live in Pinellas County as well so we haven't been hit by a hurricane in around 20 years. It is a vacation destination for a reason.

I learned recently to that contrary to all logic we have some very technical mountain biking courses according to some friends who are into that stuff. They claimed they were some of the best they had been on in the country. I called major bullshit but they were very confident and have traveled around the country doing it so maybe they are right. Total elevation change is only like 30-50 feet or some **** but the trails themselves are huge and "technical" whatever that means.

EDIT: I see how you could have viewed my statement as you did but I do, in fact, understand how mountains trap smog so it was more of a random statement.
They have some AWESOME mountain bike parks. I don't know about the west side, but in Sunny Isles/North Miami Beach there's a park called Oleta. Again not much elevation change, but technical. All about momentum. I loved it because I'm in terrible shape and can't handle the long climbs, but I can do momentum and planning ahead. It was sooooo much fun.
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Here in CA we have the idle, the 15, and I think the 25 or 30 or something. So not that much different from yours
it's not the same, in denver they do simulated 4 minute long WOT runs on the dyno through all gears. so obviously, emissions are going to fail plus they will install a speed govenor on the car once they determine the top speed.
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