farpolemiddle

Good look. This is what I needed to hear.

shuiend

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I believe I might have figured out how you can run E98 without an IC. You will need an extra injector AND

18psi

iTrader: (76)

I stacked 8 powercard pro's inline and made 6900hp with -200F IAT's

had to install block warmer to keep the engine from freezing. had condensation on the turbine

farpolemiddle

Bahahahahahaha. Sold.

shuiend

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There are some Power Cards for sale in the classifieds right now.

farpolemiddle

But for now I am going to go with this to be extra safe.

18psi

iTrader: (76)

that will get you started. you'll need another one in the rear too
(that's what he said)

1999NB

I was (sort of) thinking the same thing. Tune for E85, add E98 when E85 is actually less to richen it up. Problem is that a 55gal drum of E98 is ~$600 delivered to CA.

Are there other options to richen a low ethanol content "E85" like 98% denatured alcohol?

18psi

iTrader: (76)

see post #2.

also it would richen up with less e content. opposite with more. so it's naturally a "fail safe"

bcrx7

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As 18psi has said, even with little amount of ethanol, the benefits are high and it actually gets to a diminishing return the higher you go after 30. So if you have access to E98, mix it up with gas unless you are getting it cheaper than gas!

1999NB

I did see "MBT achieved at ~E70", but not sure how to integrate this with the tune.

i.e. if we tune for E85 then blend the maps back for lower E content. So the tune isn't more aggressive at E85 vs E70? Or that an aggressive E70 tune reaches MBT and therefore there's nothing more to gain up to E85?

18psi

iTrader: (76)

Both will get you to, and well past MBT.

Meaning you really don't get to run any more spark with 85 vs 70, cause you're already running ALLOFIT

The only real difference is you're about a point leaner with 85 and your fueling needs to accommodate this.

aidandj

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Is there any real data on the relationship between ethanol content and knock prevention/timing advance.

I have heard 3rd hand that the guys at English Racing tune flex fuel very conservative. I.E. as soon as you don't have a certain amount of ethanol (E70? E80?) they dump a bunch of timing out. But I hate information like that, impossible to trust.

I assume you can tune the fuel mix quite linearly because you are just trying to hit ideal AFR's, but I don't know if timing follows the same curve.

18psi

iTrader: (76)

I don't really think there can be a "universal chart" like that.

There is e85, then there is e85, hundreds of pumps with varying content and purity and quality, and the bottom line is it's way better to be conservative and do what ER does than to risk it with a more linear transition.

But that's all subjective opinion.

18psi

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I don't know much about how this stuff is regulated btw, but I bet it's.......not

Like, companies just kinda run what they think is right, and as long as actual content of e is at or higher than advertised, they're "good"

18psi

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seems like you cowboys have almost got a consistent flex sensor "path" figured out, I'll be reading that more when Marcello comes down to the Sac and we try to get his newly rebuilt MS3 to run it

aidandj

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The only place around that we have e85 is called Jay's garage. And they cater to the "enthusiast". I'd be willing to be that it is someone constant, they seem like the kind of place that would pride themselves in that and advertise it.

aidandj

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I have the hardware in, and working. But have not tuned it yet. The hardware was easy, the tuning is a little more interesting. There are a few ways to do it.

dickamusmaxamus

Ouch..... in SD we get E85 for well under $2 bucks a gallon...... I was kinda thinking of going that route just because of how cheap and available it is around here.

farpolemiddle

this could be a good compromise. If e30ish is where you cap out on timing then it would make sense to keep it at those levels. If I have the science right the fuel map would need less compensation and the injectors would be taxed less. Also slightly better gas mileage. The major inconvenience would be the mixing but if you were to get a drum of e98 and keep a few gallons in a separate jug in the trunk you could just get whatever gallons of e10 plus 2 gallons of e98 equal 30 and just verify you are close by monitoring your sensor. I'm sure there is a tolerance of a few points.