Only BP6D, not BP4W, correct?

 

We offer a CC head with stock cams because it works, and will absolutely be a better choice for many builders than a CNC head with big cams will be. For other customers willing to pay more, and with different needs, we'll offer a DIFFERENT CNC design with big cams.

You disagree/don't understand.

That is as clear as I can get without sharing proprietary info.

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Didn't your winning motor have custom cams in 2012 along with this port work?

 

I'm going to pretend that you are not here now.

 

LOL.. OK Emilio.

I have a valid POV that you fail to acknowledge. I forgot that this forum is not about sharing technical information for everyone. I will move on and let you continue with your marketing efforts and not blur the lines with facts.

 

That response means two things: "Yes and you cant have any because I like winning." or "Yes, but they're very illegal so I cant admit it."

This head is cool, I like the price. I agree, higher lift cams with stock duration would be pretty sweet. But I also think that off the shelf cams are stupid. The biggest gain in a cam for this would be making the ramp angles more aggressive, more aggressive ramp angles make more power everywhere, make the car idle better, but your limit of aggressiveness is based on how long you want the valves and valve seats to last. So someone like me where a 10 hour motor would last like 5 seasons, I would be ok with having to refresh the head every 4 years, but for emillio who'd have to change a 10 hour motor 3 times during a race, it wouldnt work out so well.

 

Don't forget that the customer base for a 10 hour head is much smaller and you risk selling it to those who don't "understand" what 10 hours mean (and then bitch about it failing).
Much safer to stock heads making the most of OEM cams/valve size/lifters.

Unlimited custom is (and has always been) available, but then you need to manage the project yourself.
Too big cams will not play well with a plenum anyway...

 

Maybe i haven't been following along with this thread good enough.

But where's the proof and data for this? Are we still waiting?
I read something about someones builder doesn't want to share information.

 

I dont think we are getting any. Im just not happy about the seeming openness and then closed as soon as I mention cams.

Dann

 

It is quite simple really. A ported head will make power everywhere in the power band, and you have the reliability and longevity that comes with running a stock camshaft.

Sure the motor will make much more power with the bigger cam, but that is an upgrade that can be done anytime when your budget allows and you hunger for more. It is kind of silly to do the opposite, changing the cam first and later doing port work. It is proper to do the cylinder head first.

Also, you should keep in mind that running a much bigger cam usually means that other areas of the powertrain will need to be addressed to take full advantage of the camshaft change. A good example would be gearing. When you think about it, having a ported head and continuing to run a small cam is not a bad idea after all, when you weigh the other costs associated with a higher rpm motor.

 

Why do you need to change the gearing when the power band doesnt change? We're talking about a stock duration cam with more life and maybe more aggressive ramp angles, thats going to have the same powerhand as the stock cam but make more power, assuming your head flows well at the higher lifts.

 

You maybe talking stockish duration, but I would not choose to do so. Also Emilo mentioned going to 7800 rpm. That is a powerband shift. I have mildly higher duration, and I will tell you that my powerband did shift some. It is something to take into consideration, and costs money and time.

 

I suspect most, like myself, want the "100 hour motor" that is so often thrown around.

That's essentially 33-34 weekends for me of HPDE/TT, or 4-5 years worth. That would be an acceptable lifespan for me, and a 100 hour engine is what I see Emilio and Sav frequently talk about here.

 

For people wondering when flow data will be here..

 

Here, let me parse the thread down to a couple of bullet points for you people that cannot be bothered to re-read the first post or read the entirety of the thread (or even just the posts made by Emilio).

 

The drift here is ridiculous.

Facts:

1. Customs cams make more power than stock cams.

2. Custom cams cost more.

3. Stock cams work just fine for many users.

4. We stated we would offer customs cams as an option in the OP


Am I missing something?

 

yeah: the part where you give away all the info on these for free so that everyone here can replicate it and beat you on the track as well as put you out of business.




Seriously though: I think most here are actually secretly wishing this.

 

No kidding. Between this and the 1.6 internals thread, it seems like MT decided today would be a good day to drop acid with their coffee.

Point me at another shop that is offering a developed OTS built head solution on exchange. DO IT!

/crickets

This head with stock cams is probably fine for 90% of us plebes. Hell, most of us will NEVER need it but will buy it anyway because its easy. We get the benefit of the development time Emilio & Co. have put into it and repeatability of the CNC process rather than trusting some jackhole with a die grinder hogging out ports. Other than the EP guys (who share NOTHING) who else is doing this kind of development work and making it available? The 10% who actually NEED more than this are the guys who actually have the budget for hand porting and flowbench work. This is obviously not for them. As a vendor, why lock yourself out of 90% of the market?

 

Just start answering any future questions by quoting yourself from earlier posts.

 

I always find it funny that on every car forum I'm on... people expect head work info to be given away for free. Sure I could see coming at a random person for more info and raw numbers/proof. But a vendor/racer/business and miata R&D shop? Why the hell would they give the info away? If you're smart enough to provide comment and suggestions... chances are you're smart enough to get a similar result yourself and you won't be a customer. If you are that smart and you're just lazy... stfu and get your wallet out.

I always find it ironic that the biggest **** talkers in threads like this... are the people that would pretty much never be customers of said product.