Forged 1.6 Engine build!
07-25-2017, 12:52 PM
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i have heard decent things about cheap ebay rods, but my brain likes to worry about things, at least if i spend a little extra i wont have to worry about a critical part of my engine bend/breaking and causing the whole thing to go Kaput.
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07-26-2017, 08:34 AM
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Just spoken to my machine shop, to bore it the cylinders they and to acid dip, clean bore and then deck the head.
I asked how much just a hone and pressure clean would be and he said £150.
Which still seems a bit on the high side.
So I'm not sure what to do now. I might use the stock pistons and get them coated like I was going to before.... Hmmmm
I asked how much just a hone and pressure clean would be and he said £150.
Which still seems a bit on the high side.
So I'm not sure what to do now. I might use the stock pistons and get them coated like I was going to before.... Hmmmm
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07-26-2017, 09:47 AM
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you think an engine build is cheap?
have you priced shop equipment?
Lets see.....
Clean a block.. $50
Bore/hone $15 per cylinder
use a torque plate $30
Deck block $70
grind crank $100
Balance rotating assembly $200
That is average pricing in my part of the country, its more in other and less in still others, all dependent on what equipment is used and how many shops are in the area
Now I have heard up in North Carolina that some shops still bore and hone for $8 a cylinder
and you can get a head belt surfaced for $20
I can see your over the puddle from most of us here in the US of A, and pricing is going to be at a different rate
have you priced shop equipment?
Lets see.....
Clean a block.. $50
Bore/hone $15 per cylinder
use a torque plate $30
Deck block $70
grind crank $100
Balance rotating assembly $200
That is average pricing in my part of the country, its more in other and less in still others, all dependent on what equipment is used and how many shops are in the area
Now I have heard up in North Carolina that some shops still bore and hone for $8 a cylinder
and you can get a head belt surfaced for $20
I can see your over the puddle from most of us here in the US of A, and pricing is going to be at a different rate
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07-26-2017, 11:14 AM
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you think an engine build is cheap?
have you priced shop equipment?
Lets see.....
Clean a block.. $50
Bore/hone $15 per cylinder
use a torque plate $30
Deck block $70
grind crank $100
Balance rotating assembly $200
That is average pricing in my part of the country, its more in other and less in still others, all dependent on what equipment is used and how many shops are in the area
Now I have heard up in North Carolina that some shops still bore and hone for $8 a cylinder
and you can get a head belt surfaced for $20
I can see your over the puddle from most of us here in the US of A, and pricing is going to be at a different rate
have you priced shop equipment?
Lets see.....
Clean a block.. $50
Bore/hone $15 per cylinder
use a torque plate $30
Deck block $70
grind crank $100
Balance rotating assembly $200
That is average pricing in my part of the country, its more in other and less in still others, all dependent on what equipment is used and how many shops are in the area
Now I have heard up in North Carolina that some shops still bore and hone for $8 a cylinder
and you can get a head belt surfaced for $20
I can see your over the puddle from most of us here in the US of A, and pricing is going to be at a different rate
you know when you just get an arbitrary number stuck in your head!
And i am all ears, can you point me to an alternative that has the parts i was going to order from Fab9 and ships internationally?
i was going to order my:
uprated oil pump
Rods
Pistons
ARP main studs
ARP head studs
if someone can point me somewhere that has decent pricing on those and will ship to me, that would be great
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07-26-2017, 11:33 AM
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Trackspeed engining.
Before you start buying parts you need to recognize some items:
1) look at some dyno graphs posted here and notice the difference in the torque curves from 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
2) spending money on your block whether you stick with 1.6 or be smart and get 1.8 is an absolute necesity. You are going to be spending over 2k on parts so cheaping out on machine work is a no go.
3) to meet your power goals you will need a solid turbo system - do you know this cost? I have been encouraged to understand what happens when you exceed 250 hp and things start to break and items need to be upgraded.
4) if you are tracking the car being at your aforementioned power goals you need to be ready for some additional costs like turbo locking hardware from Trackspeed, coolant reroute, aluminum radiator, and understand the effect of heat soak on your parts at the track.
Everyone is willing to help here but I think you need to read some more stickies and build threads before you start buying parts. You could be in for an $8000 build.
Hope that helped.
Before you start buying parts you need to recognize some items:
1) look at some dyno graphs posted here and notice the difference in the torque curves from 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
2) spending money on your block whether you stick with 1.6 or be smart and get 1.8 is an absolute necesity. You are going to be spending over 2k on parts so cheaping out on machine work is a no go.
3) to meet your power goals you will need a solid turbo system - do you know this cost? I have been encouraged to understand what happens when you exceed 250 hp and things start to break and items need to be upgraded.
4) if you are tracking the car being at your aforementioned power goals you need to be ready for some additional costs like turbo locking hardware from Trackspeed, coolant reroute, aluminum radiator, and understand the effect of heat soak on your parts at the track.
Everyone is willing to help here but I think you need to read some more stickies and build threads before you start buying parts. You could be in for an $8000 build.
Hope that helped.
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07-26-2017, 11:44 AM
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I just paid 150 to have my cylinders honed, at a pro engine shop. They only build race car engines. I felt like I got a great deal.
If that sounds expensive to you, you're in for a big surprise. My total for JUST machine work for my fully built engine was close to $1,200 maybe $1,500. I dont know, I stopped keeping track. Head work, block, crank, rod and ring fitting.
If that sounds expensive to you, you're in for a big surprise. My total for JUST machine work for my fully built engine was close to $1,200 maybe $1,500. I dont know, I stopped keeping track. Head work, block, crank, rod and ring fitting.
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07-26-2017, 12:36 PM
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Trackspeed engining.
Before you start buying parts you need to recognize some items:
1) look at some dyno graphs posted here and notice the difference in the torque curves from 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
2) spending money on your block whether you stick with 1.6 or be smart and get 1.8 is an absolute necesity. You are going to be spending over 2k on parts so cheaping out on machine work is a no go.
3) to meet your power goals you will need a solid turbo system - do you know this cost? I have been encouraged to understand what happens when you exceed 250 hp and things start to break and items need to be upgraded.
4) if you are tracking the car being at your aforementioned power goals you need to be ready for some additional costs like turbo locking hardware from Trackspeed, coolant reroute, aluminum radiator, and understand the effect of heat soak on your parts at the track.
Everyone is willing to help here but I think you need to read some more stickies and build threads before you start buying parts. You could be in for an $8000 build.
Hope that helped.
Before you start buying parts you need to recognize some items:
1) look at some dyno graphs posted here and notice the difference in the torque curves from 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
2) spending money on your block whether you stick with 1.6 or be smart and get 1.8 is an absolute necesity. You are going to be spending over 2k on parts so cheaping out on machine work is a no go.
3) to meet your power goals you will need a solid turbo system - do you know this cost? I have been encouraged to understand what happens when you exceed 250 hp and things start to break and items need to be upgraded.
4) if you are tracking the car being at your aforementioned power goals you need to be ready for some additional costs like turbo locking hardware from Trackspeed, coolant reroute, aluminum radiator, and understand the effect of heat soak on your parts at the track.
Everyone is willing to help here but I think you need to read some more stickies and build threads before you start buying parts. You could be in for an $8000 build.
Hope that helped.
i am also aware that i will have to spend money on my block, and the rest of the car!
3)i'll be honest with you, i have not priced up my turbo system yet. i do not intend to turbo this car until next year, probably in the summer. im aware it will be expensive, i have also stated earlier in the thread that i dont intend to start off at 250 or above, i'll start probably around 200 and then after a bit turn it up.
4)i have already costed up most of the additionals for tracking the car and just general upgrades, coilovers, upgraded radiator, rollbar, coolant reroute. and a bunch of other stuff. will also need a diff at some point as well.
as i say i am new to the world of aftermarket stuff. i have fixed cars and maintained them, but i am still getting the hang of aftermarket and expensive mods!
im not a car noob by any means, but this is my first engine and car build, so i have a very limited idea of what to expect, especially when it comes to machine shop work!
im expecting this car in total to cost me around £6.5K~. £3K of that being the engine build (current price i have sketched out is £2.9K with that additional work), £2.5K~ of turbo supporting mods (wideband, ecu, rad and stuff) and suspension stuff and £1K~ for the turbo, intercooler and exhaust
not sure if that is unreasonable expectation or not? from the costing i have done it sounds pretty reasonable.
I just paid 150 to have my cylinders honed, at a pro engine shop. They only build race car engines. I felt like I got a great deal.
If that sounds expensive to you, you're in for a big surprise. My total for JUST machine work for my fully built engine was close to $1,200 maybe $1,500. I dont know, I stopped keeping track. Head work, block, crank, rod and ring fitting.
If that sounds expensive to you, you're in for a big surprise. My total for JUST machine work for my fully built engine was close to $1,200 maybe $1,500. I dont know, I stopped keeping track. Head work, block, crank, rod and ring fitting.
I am a bit salty that i'll have to repaint my block though
i guess its my own fault though for painting it and then deciding to go over!i going to my machine shop tonight to pick up head and crank, i 'll have a chat with him there. he did say to me on the phone that he can't push the wrist pin off the pistons as it will damage them, if that is the case then i will 100% just bite the bullet and go for both pistons and rods.
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07-26-2017, 12:49 PM
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yes, for the most part, press fit wrist pins are a 1 shot deal.
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...ce-rods-65019/
Glad to see my link list still works
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...ce-rods-65019/
Glad to see my link list still works
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07-26-2017, 12:53 PM
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im expecting this car in total to cost me around £6.5K~. £3K of that being the engine build (current price i have sketched out is £2.9K with that additional work), £2.5K~ of turbo supporting mods (wideband, ecu, rad and stuff) and suspension stuff and £1K~ for the turbo, intercooler and exhaust
not sure if that is unreasonable expectation or not? from the costing i have done it sounds pretty reasonable.
not sure if that is unreasonable expectation or not? from the costing i have done it sounds pretty reasonable.
Just wait till you're in the thick of it. Painting a block is going to be the least of your worries.
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07-26-2017, 01:00 PM
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yes, for the most part, press fit wrist pins are a 1 shot deal.
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...ce-rods-65019/
Glad to see my link list still works
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...ce-rods-65019/
Glad to see my link list still works
Ha, i know... i know....
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