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kenzo42 02-28-2012 03:59 PM

Head removal - quick question
 
So I bought a 1.8 long block and I requested that he remove the head before I haul it 300 miles for weight savings.

Anyway, he told me you need a special star tool to remove the head. Is there any such truth to this?

Spanks.

RyanRaduechel 02-28-2012 04:06 PM

Well the head bolts are a 12 pointed head, so maybe he means a 12 pointed socket... Well thats my guess anyways

soviet 02-28-2012 04:40 PM

all you need is a 12pt 12mm socket.

curly 02-28-2012 05:20 PM

I thought it was a 12 point 14mm? I could be wrong.

flounder 02-28-2012 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 841114)
I thought it was a 12 point 14mm? I could be wrong.

Now you have me second guessing myself, lol. I was sure it's 12 point 12mm.

Just bring both, it's one of them for sure. ;)

RyanRaduechel 02-28-2012 06:21 PM

I think its a 14mm

FRT_Fun 02-28-2012 07:17 PM

You should have a tool kit in your car with both of those anyways ;) But I would just bring a whole set of sockets if you dont.

shuiend 02-28-2012 07:24 PM

It is a 12point 12mm end of story.

flounder 02-28-2012 07:27 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Here ya go.

They sure look like 12pt 14mm to me? The cam cap bolts are 10mm for comparison.

shuiend 02-28-2012 07:41 PM

My video skills are not as good as Joe Perez's, please forgive me for that.

curly 02-28-2012 08:01 PM

I demand a recount.

FRT_Fun 02-28-2012 09:46 PM

Definitely camera trickery there. I need more proof.

Bugshield 02-28-2012 10:28 PM

12 point 12 mm....just did it today... /thread

curly 02-29-2012 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by Bugshield (Post 841257)
12 point 12 mm....just did it today... /thread

Whatever, we've recently uncovered evidence that shuiend isn't an american citizen, so his proof is invalid, and we've begun researching ways of making the 14mm socket work. We'll probably use an adapter.

gearhead_318 02-29-2012 12:11 AM

Your all wrong, it's a 12 point 13mm.

RyanRaduechel 02-29-2012 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 841286)
researching ways of making the 14mm socket work. We'll probably use an adapter.

I like your style of thinking

Bugshield 02-29-2012 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 841286)
Whatever, we've recently uncovered evidence that shuiend isn't an american citizen, so his proof is invalid, and we've begun researching ways of making the 14mm socket work. We'll probably use an adapter.

If you use enough JB Weld to reduce it to 12mm, the adapter SHOULD work....

JasonC SBB 02-29-2012 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 841287)
Your all wrong, it's a 12 point 13mm.

You almost got it right, it's a 13 point, 12 mm.

NiklasFalk 02-29-2012 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 841319)
You almost got it right, it's a 13 point, 12 mm.

12.7 point 12mm, or did I mix up my inch and metric sockets?

shuiend 02-29-2012 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 841183)
I demand a recount.

Just because I know you are getting up there in age and starting to get forgetful I will produce another video tonight to yet again show you that it is a 12point 12mm. :rofl::rofl:

thirdgen 02-29-2012 09:31 AM

Can the stock head bolts be re-used?

GTRicky 02-29-2012 10:35 AM

I find this thread to be hilarious.

It's 15.5mm 17point. I have absolute authority on this.

Braineack 02-29-2012 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 841183)
I demand a recount.


For your moderator rights, I'm starting to concur.


wtf is this 14mm business?!

curly 02-29-2012 11:34 AM

I've said 12mm all along, I don't know what you're talking about. Where are my pills?

thirdgen 02-29-2012 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 841373)
Can the stock head bolts be re-used?

Aren't they stretch bolts that shouldn't be re-used? Or can they be?
Anyone know?

Bugshield 02-29-2012 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 841435)
Aren't they stretch bolts that shouldn't be re-used? Or can they be?
Anyone know?

Do not re-use head bolts. Replace them with new bolts or buy a set of ARP studs.

thirdgen 02-29-2012 12:21 PM

Thanks.

phillyb 02-29-2012 12:24 PM

i didn't think they were torque to yield.
but i replaced mine with arp studs anyway

shuiend 02-29-2012 12:55 PM

Braineack and I have both reused stock head bolts on 1.6 motors. I see no reason why you could not reuse them. I would still recommend changing to ARP studs if you are doing an engine build.

JasonC SBB 02-29-2012 12:57 PM

I've reused stock 12.7 point 12 mm bolts on my turbo 2000.

kenzo42 02-29-2012 07:33 PM

Ok, so now that's been answered :party:, how long will it take to take head off w/ the motor out of the car? I'll keep IM attached.

Braineack 02-29-2012 07:47 PM

30min or so. Pretty easy.

flounder 02-29-2012 08:03 PM

As long as it takes to remove 10 bolts and lift.

shuiend 02-29-2012 09:27 PM

So just because Curly demanded a recount here is another video to show the correct size.


thirdgen 02-29-2012 09:37 PM

"This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Nice video Lars.

kenzo42 02-29-2012 10:44 PM

Ok, last question:

If I separate the block and head, will it fit in the back of a Honda Civic?

Thanks

phillyb 02-29-2012 11:01 PM

never gonna give you up

elesjuan 03-01-2012 02:14 AM


Originally Posted by phillyb (Post 841732)
never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down..

elesjuan 03-01-2012 02:14 AM

1 Attachment(s)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1330586094

I want an Mp5 so badly..


http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8...r5l1o1_500.gif

shuiend 03-01-2012 07:52 AM

Baa, I am sad at the youtube copyright nazi's. I spent a good 10 minutes in Movie Maker making that fantastic movie.

kenzo42 03-01-2012 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by kenzo42 (Post 841727)
Ok, last question:

If I separate the block and head, will it fit in the back of a Honda Civic?

Thanks

Anyone?

thirdgen 03-01-2012 11:42 AM

V-tec crackin Civic bubble? Yes, it will fit...
Non bubble? I'm sure it will still fit.

kenzo42 03-01-2012 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 841909)
V-tec crackin Civic bubble? Yes, it will fit...
Non bubble? I'm sure it will still fit.

It's not even a civic, rather a rental car. Not sure what kind, but I'm sure it'll resemble a civic sedan.

midpack 03-01-2012 03:20 PM

Don't miss your track day and buy some APR studs. This one post convinced me it wasn't worth the gamble, even if the odds are to my favor.
https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....2&postcount=11

sixshooter 03-01-2012 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 841810)
Baa, I am sad at the youtube copyright nazi's. I spent a good 10 minutes in Movie Maker making that fantastic movie.

Crimea River, lol.

To the OP, You don't want to carry that block with a Honda Civic. Sure, it's rated for the weight but only a foolish person would carry it in one of those. Even though carrying an engine block around is something you very rarely would do, you need to buy an F-550 King Ranch dually with a crew cab, hydro-boost brakes, a turbo diesel engine with a performance chip, and a three axle gooseneck trailer with air brakes. /tow vehicle thread reference

flounder 03-01-2012 05:21 PM

Old blanket and front seat that bitc h!


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