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Old 02-25-2015, 07:47 PM   #1
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2004 MSM, 157k on the motor.

Pulling the engine for a leaking oil pan. Cam seals leaking, too. So going to do a full timing change, etc., the oil pan seal, fix the leaking knock sensor on the tranny and check the clutch. Likely have a proper catch-can installed, too.

The goal is to run the stock turbo with aftermarket goodies (FMIC, down pipe, intake) at 10psi and put it on the track a couple times a year with a Rev. build MS2 but mostly it will daily drive.

Just wondering if there are other major things that are worth considering if the engine is out (I think I can leave internals alone). I am not performing the work.

Thanks.

Crap. What I should add that I already have:
DP
FMIC
Roll bar, Blackbird (race seats/5-spt that bolt/swap in for OE seats)
Intake and TB hose (including new BPV)
Rev. built MS2 (waiting to fix leaks before tuning) so that also means a wideband
Wheels/tires (need alignment)
Brake are fine (i think)
all other fluids, etc. take care of (other than what has leaked out) including new fuel filter
plugs/wires
No CELs! hurrah!

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if trans is coming off the rear main isn't a bad idea.

water pump kit too.
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2004 MSM, 157k on the motor.

Pulling the engine for a leaking oil pan. Cam seals leaking, too. So going to do a full timing change, etc., the oil pan seal, fix the leaking knock sensor on the tranny and check the clutch. Likely have a proper catch-can installed, too.

The goal is to run the stock turbo with aftermarket goodies (FMIC, down pipe, intake) at 10psi and put it on the track a couple times a year with a Rev. build MS2 but mostly it will daily drive.

Just wondering if there are other major things that are worth considering if the engine is out (I think I can leave internals alone). I am not performing the work.

Thanks.
1. FM1 Clutch
2. Resurface flywheel
3. Main seals
4. I'd strongly consider the MSPNP Pro; https://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/...ata-p-583.html
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if trans is coming off the rear main isn't a bad idea.

water pump kit too.
yes, sorry I was not more specific about the timing change I think of the water pump as part of that. and not a crappy stamped water pump, either.

I think the tranny is staying put but i'll keep an eye on the that, thanks.

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2. Resurface flywheel
3. Main seals
4. I'd strongly consider the MSPNP Pro; https://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/...ata-p-583.html
I updated my first post too late, so yes the MS2 will do wonders for the MSM. I can't wait to tune it.

I need to research more on the OE vs. aftermarket flywheels I guess so thanks for the idea.
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yes, sorry I was not more specific about the timing change I think of the water pump as part of that. and not a crappy stamped water pump, either.

I think the tranny is staying put but i'll keep an eye on the that, thanks.



I updated my first post too late, so yes the MS2 will do wonders for the MSM. I can't wait to tune it.

I need to research more on the OE vs. aftermarket flywheels I guess so thanks for the idea.
I wouldn't waste my money on a LW flywheel. I'd spend it on an MS3 based ECU which is the reason I linked the product specifically.

You mentioned MS2 based.
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I wouldn't waste my money on a LW flywheel. I'd spend it on an MS3 based ECU which is the reason I linked the product specifically.

You mentioned MS2 based.
good to know about the flywheel.

Well, the MS2 advanced by Reverent was recommended so that is what I have.
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good to know about the flywheel.

Well, the MS2 advanced by Reverent was recommended so that is what I have.
Sorry, misread. Thought you were going to buy not bought.
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I would suggest painting the engine bay. I am very happy I did mine while the engine was out.
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Ate you pulling the trans/ engine out as 1 piece? I hear this is the way to go...
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Change your oil and water pump while you have the sucker out...
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Ate you pulling the trans/ engine out as 1 piece? I hear this is the way to go...
Not sure. This felt over my head so a local race shop is doing the work that works on other track Miatas and similar cars like Lotus and Porches...HA!
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set aside 2 hours.
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set aside 2 hours.
Well, time, too. I would love to learn how to pull my own engine but there is a baby due in three weeks and so if I pull it, it will likely stay pulled for some time...and part of my wife's post-birth recovery will be going for drop-top drives in the spring air.
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Engine mounts would be a good idea. Coolant reroute as well.
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Engine mounts would be a good idea. Coolant reroute as well.
Funny, I was just looking at those today.

Cross-flow and re-route are on my radar at some point...but I might have to build the piggy bank back up for them.
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"fix the leaking knock sensor on the tranny"

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Leaky oil pan? are you sure its not from the cam seal? My cam seal leaked all the way down and looked like everything was leaking including the front main, the oil pan, etc.

Now the leaky trans knock sensor...that's just hilarious...
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if trans is coming off the rear main isn't a bad idea.
This.

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2. Resurface flywheel
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This too.

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yes, sorry I was not more specific about the timing change I think of the water pump as part of that. and not a crappy stamped water pump, either.

I think the tranny is staying put but i'll keep an eye on the that, thanks
The tranny has to come out to pull the oil pan, so replace the input and output seals on the transmission. Also, insist that AR uses OEM seals EVERYWHERE. Their WorldPac source paper seals are incredibly low quality and like to leak.

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I would suggest painting the engine bay. I am very happy I did mine while the engine was out.
Even at 157k, his NB's engine bay is at max 10 years old (yikes!), and is probably in find shape. The more important step is to properly scrub and rinse the factory paint, it'll clean up just fine.

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Funny, I was just looking at those today.

Cross-flow and re-route are on my radar at some point...but I might have to build the piggy bank back up for them.
MSM radiator is the best OE radiator you can have, so you're starting off good. Also, keep in mind reroutes are not EGR capable, so prepare to get rid of the rest of emissions when you do go with one.

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Now the leaky trans knock sensor...that's just hilarious...
To clarify these statements, your 6-speed has a reverse switch and neutral switch, but no knock sensor.

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I wouldn't waste my money on a LW flywheel. I'd spend it on an MS3 based ECU which is the reason I linked the product specifically.

You mentioned MS2 based.
This for sure. Your MS2 will sell easily if it's MSM specific. Save some money and buy the Pro, along with Singular's ECU bracket. It can do so much more, much faster, in a smaller case, and has a lot more options. Although your MS2E is quite capable. I look forward to tuning which ever one you choose.
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Ha... So you won't have your car back together this weekend to do a hardtop swap eh? Lol

Glad to see proigress being made.
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Clean all the old oil w a pressure washer and see where the oil is coming from, the oil pan is not likley the problem.
You will probably need both shifter boots and engine mounts on your parts list if you pull the motor out
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