miata engine swaps
 

hi i have been thinking and i wanted to know what swaps there are for the obd2 miata i was looking into doing a sr20 or rb25 but will not pass CT emissions testing.

Grammar.

nor will they be worth your time. RB's are too long and SR's require alot with the oil pan. If you want those motors, buy a 240.

I had an SR powered 240sx in CT and loved it. i wasnt OBD 2 tho.

stock engine or V8 seems like the only two reasonable engines for a miata.

blow me

i have a friend that totaled his s2000 and its for sale for 2500 and im also looking into doing a vq35 aka g35 350z motor.
the miata power plant is ok but i dont like having a oil pump thay could go or a tranny that is a ticking time bomb. im not a fan of the v8 i like 6 and 4 bangers.

s2000 is a peaky bitch, and is maxed out from the factory.

For the same price you can buy another 1.6 or 1.8 and turbo it.

You're a stupid fucking newb that can't search, think, or use proper fucking grammar. You, fail. Use to be this forum IGNORED idiots that type like a five year old.

i know the motor is maxxed out by honda but the 1.6 and 1.8 have the shity oil pump gears and shitty tranys then the diff is a 50/50 so i rather have the f22 or f20c in the car then later on turbo that motor.

That's what I was going to say, but I remember being that noob (luckily at m.net) and decided to be nice.

Look dude, please tell us what kind of mechanical and fabrication skills you have, and what your goals are.

We have all seen the badass Datsun 510s and 260Zs with sr20det conversions in every car magazine. The guys that build those aren't doing it out of their garage with practically no experience and a $2500 budget.

You must come to understand that really fast. You are not about to build an awesome motorswap that will blow away everyone on this forum. That is unless you've got an extra $20K, mad fabrication skills, and some form of engineering degree and pratical design experience that makes you 15 shades better than the average lame newb we see around here.

If not then just give up. Now.

Luckily there are options, and if you can read, you can learn a lot about those options. Fixes for the weak tranny (plan on seeing over 250rwhp do we?) and oil pump (over 8K rpm?) are available much cheaper than any motor swap's complications and that motor/drivetrain's problems.

to be honest there are about 20% of users on this fourm to help you and the othere 80% are just out to be dicks. thats what i have found here more dicks then help. and all of you dicks have nothing els better to do then sit on your asses and and read every thread and bust every persons chops.

i am the co owner of a shop in stamford ct and we have been here for 30 years and getting stuff done is not the problem just trying to see what has been done and what has worked. that all but every other guy is an ass hole here

since you have a 1.6, then the 1.8 BP engine works, in fact I believe it was used in a factory car at one point, can't remember which one though... The sr20 and rb are gay because every ricer fan boy has done that before. The VG30 or VQ would be nice but doubt they will fit with those overhead cams. Again those 2jJizz motors or whatever Toyota calls them are probably too long being an inline 6. The 1MZ-FE may fit, but I doubt it, and if it did would be a pain in the ass due to it coming from a FF platform car things are just weird. Also I have heard that the transmissions people use with the sr20's get shaky in the legs after a certain point, driving people to get t3h 6-speed from JDMimports.com the best place to source JDM parts on E-Bay with over 14,000^1/4^ good reviews.

holy hell there is a good soul here thanks for the info mazda/nissan i think im going to buy my friends totaled s2000 and do the f20c swap and the thing were i siad i dont want to spend more then 2500 thats for the engine tranny ecu and wireing. i have helped my friend do a sr20 swap in a 240sx and him and his dad know a good amount at my shop. i was hoping to get some good info from people here but i guess ill only be lucky to get info from about 3 good souls here.

That's because, if someone here wanted an S2000 engine, they would buy an S2000. That oil pump problem you speak of is not even really a problem. I have read about one, maybe two people that have had problems. Transmission will survive if you don't beat on it.

If you had your own shop you would have already bought said $2500 S2000 knowing it was worth that to part it out.


This only supports assumption that you are not in fact a shop owner (what kind of shop), but instead a ricer.

it is a family owned shop we do every thing from repairs to body and mods. here is the link for all you non beleivers Nicos Foreign Car Repair. i also just talked to the owner of the s2000 and im getting the car dropped off this week.

i am no way a ricer, i just dont like v8. i have had all the types of cars 86 camaro z28 with a sbc 350 and a turbo 350 trans to a bmw m3. and you are not a ricer if you like 6 and 4 bangers you dumb fuck. a ricer is when you have a big ass wing and a can for a muffler and sub to blow out your rear window now thats ricer cuz if owning a 6 or 4 banger was ricer then your calling every one here a ricer you dumb fuck. also if you read every thing you would see i said im the co owner. so suck my dick ass wipe.:fawk:

shoulda gone to Nicco's

Are you the guy in the video?

If so, I apologize as it appears English may not be your first language.

You'll have to be patient with this crowd, but there is good information here.

Unfortunately we all tend to favor forced induction here.

There is some info on m.net about odd motor swaps.

In my personal opinion the S2000 swap is not at all worth it. You can get similar power much more easily with the Mazda motors.

If you want to attempt a difficult swap with a big payoff that isn't a V8...my dream swap is a rotary powered Miata. Most of the folks that dream about it have seen Fast&Furious too many times and think they will see 700hp or something. I just want a simple tuned twin turbo model in a lightweight car.

The only guy I've heard about doing it spent quite a bit of money and time on it. I would expect the S2000 swap to be similar, but with less exciting results.

You could sell that S2000 motor/drivetrain for near what you paid for the whole car, and put that towars a swap.

You won't find much information either way on successful oddball swaps. Really, I tried, looked, and asked a lot. There are only a few popular ones, and they all have eight cylinders. Some guy put in a Mazda 2.5L V6 from a Milennia with individual throttle bodies that was really bad ass. There is a video somewhere, and he said it was a lot of work and fabrication. That would probably be the sweetest driving Miata in the world...low end torque without V8 weight, top end of a turbo 4 without the lag.

Ok, I wrote the above post before you posted this.

Go lick your dad's cum out of your mom's asscrack so you don't have any more brothers that might be half as much of a dumbass as you are.


I was saying it supported the assumption many were making about rice, which we see a lot around here to defend dumbass ideas (like oddball, never attempted, pointless, dumbass motor swaps). Get some reading comprehension you pantywaist before I drive my ass up to CT and bitchslap you into oblivion in front of your whole family.

i was thinking about doing the 13btt swap but the car needs to pass emissions in ct they plug into the obd 2 port when test and that motor is obd1. and fabbin is not to much of a big deal one of my friends owns imported cars of stamford who has the fastest street legal m3 in the us and no.5 in the world they are going to be helping me fab up every thing.

apparently you don't frequent the diy forum. Patsmx5 is your god.

eh? sorry, missing your point in my anger...

to bad the ass hole in the vid is my step dad and try that and you will be barking up the wrong tree with the sons of italy. if you have any clue of what that is.

don't steal my shit, powerbottom-handballer.


I'm happy to see this thread took a more rewarding direction.

wasn't talking to you cumguzzler, go gay up some other thread

Oh, so english is your first language, illiteracy just runs in the family along with illegitimacy?

Hustler saw you quoted me and though you were questioning my skills. He says he's sorry.

OP- If English isn't your first language, ok. But at least TRY to do better. But I ASSumed English is your first language.

Oh yeah, I know you've got mad skills Pat.

I thought it was assumed since this thread is about OP being able to swap one japanese four cylinder (designed to fit in car) for another japanese four cylinder (designed for enormously different car).

I'm just yanking his chain because he comes across as a much different person than he claims to be.

Some may attribute it to poor communication skills (important for tha intrawebz), but I personally believe that anyone that replies to one insinuation of rice, a mild insult, with three direct personal attacks containing curse words is either: a.) hustler or b.) a dumbass teenager trying to defend their shred of credibility in a forum.

What ever im sick of dealing with all of the ass holes here and im sorry you people want every fucking to a dime. I never seen a forum were people want every thing like a fucking text book and all of you need to wake up to the real world and not every one is perfect like you all want.

It's real simple holmes, just don't be an asshole when you're asking for help.

I'm fucking pissed I spent that much time trying to write decent responses only to be called a dumb fuck in poor grammar.

He had a few other threads before that were dumb. I tried to help him in them too I think. Oh well. I'm just 80% asshole and sit on the forum to be a dick. I think... Back to Thermo II HW.

Im not trying to be and ass whole ether im just sick of people ripping on me and it just get to the point were its like wtf and the ricer thing was just set me off. So im not trying to be a dick my spelling and grammar is not great but I do try with typing it on word first I just rather have people say some thing good or nothing at all.

1990 miata 1.6...

I am one of the nice guys that will try to help you out... but i will say this, you wont get help from anyone if every single one of your posts is bashing other members. If older members are dicks, ignore it.... even make a sarcasting comment back to them (although hustler will always be there to do one better). Just chill with the name calling and everything. people on this forum will help you, and are very knowledgable, you just kinda have to win them over first and prove that you have done your homework.

On that note:
a great build for an f20c:
S2000 Forums -> Miata + S2000 = M2000?

If you are really going to go different, do it... but dont expect anyone to be too knowledgable or even accepting of the idea. Post up you fab skills, expectations, and general budget. Alot of people will bash you if you plan on spending 10 grand for something that could have been done for half that by using the Bp. You can fix the oil gears and transmisions for probably less than most of these swaps cost. Its no different than the ongoing ricer battle between building the KA to handle power or buying an sr20. Do what you want, ask opinions and advice, but dont throw shit back in everyones face if they are ass holes. it will get you no where.

Have you thought of doing a Ztech or duratech? The super 7's are putting out as much as 250 hp NA with the ztech and even more with the duratech.

Well, I ripped on you about your grammar a while back and it went from this to perfect. It was nice. You know, sometimes people come here and post a huge block of text with a lot of info and 20 questions buried in it. When their grammar is bad, it's hard to read. Most here won't even try.

Anyways, you do better there and you won't catch any shit from me. Nobody cares about typos. But just plain bad sucks to read.

On topic, I suggest a turbo BP 1.8. The OP gears thing is WAYYYY overplayed. There basically IS NOT a problem. Don't worry about gears. Get a set of forged rods and pistons for that 99' motor you have and, without buying ANY OTHER INTERNALS, it's good for 500+ whp. You'll need everything else like fuel, tuning, exhaust, etc to support it, but the engine will be fine. 6 speeds are considered bullet proof transmissions. No great solution or rear ends though, but I'm working on getting a solid cheap solution for that myself.

Try firefox for your web browser. It will underline miss spelled words with a little red line. This way you dont sound like a stupid fucking 10 year old with ADD.

Also it helps to not be a complete fucking ------ when asking for people's input.

That said v8>*

240 to miata owner thanks
and
patsmx5 thanks

i try not to say anything back to any one that rips on me but it just got to the point were i had it. so let me say it this way i have the 99 motor rebuilt the head ported polished with flyin miatas turbo kit fm1 with the gt2560r and full 3in exhaust dual tip and a modded honda intake manifold. i want to make 350whp on pump for race day and 250 to 300whp for around town. also if i were to get a 6 speed tranny what do you do about the clutch??

lol im using firefox

I love the few F20 swaps that are out there, but it does seem pointless to me. 8-10psi on the stock motor will get you to the same power, a better powerband and it'll do it cheaper and easier. If you're going to boost the F20/22 (like in Fyrestrike's thread that was posted) you might as well just do a LSx swap kit and that will be cheaper, easier, and more reliable than the boosted F20/22.

wow, that f20 swap is a fucking unbelieveably amazing and thorough build!

Almost enough to make me want to try it...

EDIT:

Sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I was trying to help really.

Seriously, if you didn't come across like every other numnut, rice-gargling, leet speak spouting, dumbass teenager you wouldn't have been attacked that way. I apologize I assumed that this was the case, hope your build goes well.

^^^^^ yeah its a cool swap but he went ... "F20 N/A... F20 superchargerged... f20 turboed... o wait all this shit sucks, im gunna do a LSX"


could have saved the hastle by just doing the lsx.

I understand the whole "no v8" thing tho, i like high reving small displacement motors myself.

On that note

HOME PAGE...

DO IT, YOU WONT!!!

paging dr. phile...


"get over it"

that was me getting over it

I said good luck, and was providing constructive criticism.

I think you'd be crazy to pass up the S2000 for 2500.00. If you've got skills and tools, I wouldn't think it too complicated. The usual question on a swap is "will it fit?" and it's already be done (more than once). The lowish torque (relative hp) in that engine is moot when it comes to a 2200# Miata. Add boost later and it's all win IMO.

While there may be better options, using what you have at hand makes sense.

If you attempt it, I seriously hope yours turns out as nice as Alex's. If so, hell, if it runs, I would be impressed.

Thanks for the info im going to look at it all. i do have 2 questions the 6 speed trany wich years and what clutch need to be run and has any one every used the Toga High Volume Oil Pump. if it is not alot of work i might jus got that way and not do the s2000 swap. i could pull the f20c swap but just remembered i have not had the car inspected the car was bought out of state so if i put the f20c motor in it will never pass. the look over test.

we could probably answer that but you need to work on capitalization, punctuation, and sentence structure in general. I know we've already berated you for grammar and spelling, but please come-the-fuck-on.

Unreadable, try again.

You can use any year that had the 6 speed, unsure of which year they started. They were all 1.8L cars, so will need the 1.8L flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate to work.

Fixed. Seriously, you fail.

wow, with all the red shit in there I can actually read it...:eek5: A M A Z I N G!!!

Sorry I did not use word to fix spelling. Also talked to a friend who finally called me back he said I don’t need to worry about inspection as long as its obd2. so I think im going to still do the f20c swap still it did not look that hard and I love welding so should be more fun the just a pain in the ass like me.

Post pics of the swap if you do it..

you need to have a FUNCTIONING obd2 system tho... meaning if you go f20c the whole f20c wiring and obd2 system needs to be working.

That is what I think anyway, so don't quote me.

I will post pics of the swap I have pic of me ripping out my engine and rebuilding my head and other stuff on my 1.8l block witch will be for sale with the fm turbo kit act clutch and tranny.

Yaa all wiring for the motor and ecu need to bee hooked up and work and as long as there is no check engine light and no codes when the plug in the obd port then ill be good.

You shouldn't need MSWord to fix simple spelling and punctuation, tard. This is simple shit, that makes it legible...we're talking about 3rd grade grammar here, 8-year old children. I'm happy someone called you back for the first time in your life, virgin.

just got a g35 coupe in that was flipped over so im going to talk to the owner and see if he will sell it to me for a good price and if so im going to go with doing a vq35de swap.

Anything in a V with lots of cams up top doesn't fit so well. Measure twice, cut once as they say.

Interface the Mazda dash gauges with Honda/Nissan engine harness may take some time to sort out. depending on year may require K-pro to bypass the security key and ign. to ECU. Unless you want to wire in the honda ign. cylinder also. The Nissan guys got some cool stuff for there ECU also UPREV Osiris big power potential. The project sounds fun and Good luck to you, but personally i like driving my car more then working on it. This sounds like it may take more then a few weekends to complete :( , but again more power to you and good luck on your endevours.

VQ35 = Too Wide