msm turbo on a 1.6L
 

ok i am sorry if this has been covered before but after doing research and plenty of google searching i am unable to find an answer to my question.

I currently have a 1.6L 92 miata and I was going to turbo her. However after doing some research deciding what turbo setup to run I was leaning towards a t28 s14 turbo. However I realized that some people run a complete swap of the msm turbo and manifold however the thing i am having problems findin is whether or not the msm manifold will fit the 1.6L motor.

I have seen that people have swapped it into the 1.8L but i am not sure if there is a sizing dif as to how the manifolds fit.

Any help would be appreciated.

Colton

I'm pretty sure the manifold will not work on the 1.6 head.

dam thats what i was afraid of. has anyone seen a manifold online that will fit the 1.6 running the msm flange? cuz i can get a msm turbo for an affordable price and thats better then a chincharger

And I'm almost certain that no one would waste their time to make a manifold with the IHI turbo flange that fits on an 1.6. That is just such an uncommon combination (no money to be made). Though I agree the turbo would be awesome for a 1.6.

i guess my only option is to source a msm manifold and cut the flange off and weld it to a 1.6L turbo manifold ha

Another note. I think the MSM manifold is some sort of cast stainless so I'm not sure how much that will influence that choice either.

I understand that you've already got the msm turbo which even though many have hated on, I still think is a great unit. But my recommendation is still leaning towards churbo and a manifold that just bolts together. Just make sure all the flanges are correct.

I'm not sure how easy it's going to be (if even possible) to weld on that cast stainless manifold.

dam post limit ha

i actually havent even got the turbo yet im just weighing my options

No.

Just no.

Dann

The cylinder spacing is different, even this wont work.

I know everyone wants to pay bottom dollar for everything these days and not spend more than $500 on a turbo setup, but sheesh...

Just buy what is known to work and is good quality. Get a manifold and outlet from one of the Big Names on here and build the rest yourself. That's the least expensive route to go. If you can't find information about something on here....either it's not conventional or you suck at searching lol

This would be a good place to start.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...h-build-63204/

I'd use a china turbo over the stock MSM shitter turbo any day.

This thread is so stupid it made my brain hurt.

You want to buy a crappy manifold so you can hack it up and make it 200% crappier just so you can fit it to a crappy engine and then bolt a crappy turbo to it? Not only will you spend more than a 1.6 turbo kit will cost and waste more money than it takes to fully fabricate one from scratch, but you'll end up with a setup inferior even to the china turbo kits.

Oh my goodness, do people just disregard common sense these days?

So would I, and I hate Chinese turbos.

when im only running 7lbs of boost looking for just a little bit more power i dont need to spend 1800 dollars for a turbo kit. Sourcing a turbo kit will cost me no where near that much. I am not sure how you figure ill spend more then buying a kit I guess your math must be a little off.

Go check out thread called "project cheap" by Techsalvager.

If you like his herpey infested tub of diarheal sh*t of a car and setup and want FAIL and AIDS, go ahead and replicate it. It will cost just under 1800, and you will for sure have one of the worst cars on the forum.

Good luck and have fun.

that's not even an option. That turbo sucks anyways...rethink your plans.

This is everyone's story... "oh I just want to run like 5 psi for some extra go" and they want to be extra cheap about it.
If you really want a turbo, you MUST do it right or you'll spend 4 times the time and 3 times the money fixing sh!t constantly. If you really want "just a few psi", get a JRSC and call it a day knowing you'll never be able to make much power out of it. Or if you're really lucky, you might find an old Greddy kit out there somewhere.

everyone needs to understand i am only going to have the car for another 8 months before i move and am selling the car to a friend who is going to build the motor and put a bigger turbo on it. For now i only want some more power since at my altitude the car is bogging pretty bad.

thanks for the link ill check it out. Im pretty sure ive looked at this thread on a different forum before maybe CR and it made me sick believe me I wouldnt ever put together a car like this.

Why spend any money on it at all? If you spend 1500 bucks on a turbo setup will you're buddy pay you 1500 bucks more than he would if you didn't do anything to the car other than change the oil twice, put gas in it, and wash it a couple times, between then and now?

because for those 8 months commuting is not really as fun as im looking for and since im driving an hour every other weekend to albuquerque and there is some areas on that drive that I desperately need some more umph. The biggest reason i cant do a kit is because i am a college student and its easier for me to piece together a kit then save and just buy a complete one. Plus 1800 is a lot if im only looking for SOME power and if my buddy is going to put a bb gtx28r on the car he will swap the turbpo out anyway so why spend the money now.

Find JRSC, install and drive. Sell JRSC when you sell the car. Problem solved. Let friend deal with the turbo sh!t later.

i have dealt with cxracing in the past and their stuff can be squirley but has anyone seen this kit?? for 900

cxracing.com: 89-93 Mazda Miata MX5 T28 Turbo kit Bolt on + Downpipe

haha if i can find a jrsc for around 1000 ill pick it up but for the most part i see them for 1200 or more ha

Ebay kit is trash, those manifolds will break shortly after installation. I highly doubt you'd even get the 8 months out of it.

Make a FS thread for a used Greddy kit for fuck's sake and stop retarding up this forum

Yes. Buy this and install.

im not asking you to be on this thread if you really have an issue just read someone elses thread its not that difficult to do you just press the back button and go to the other posts

I really do not think you realize everything that is involved in sourcing a kit. Can it be done for cheap? Yes but it would probably take you 8 months to find deals on decent parts so that it is not breaking left and right. There are lots of little things that need to be done. Do you even have a way to tune the fueling? You cannot run a turbo on the stock ECU unless you want to blow the motor up. You will also need to run lines for the turbo. You sound as if you have never turbo'd a car before which is fine, but you have no idea what is involved in the process. It will not be worth the $$ and headaches for 8 months of driving.

i already had my speed6 and swapped in a gt3076r although the car comes factory turbo i am aware of what is needed. i can run a fuel pressure regulator with the car instead of a ms or hydra since i only am running small amounts of boost.

You have NO idea. And I'm completely serious when I say this, not just flaming.

I have to agree this is a bad idea. If i was going dirt cheap i'd check out those t3 cast ebay manifolds for the 1.6, a china t3 of some kind (brain has/had one for a while and it was good, iirc), etc. At your altitude with a rising rate fpr and some static timing retard I don't see why you couldn't run 5-6psi (150whp) or so.

Be careful though, my stock greddy kit was running dangerously lean due to a failing fuel pump and I had no idea until i put a wbo2 on it.

Oh and if you were keeping the car I would not recommend you go band-aids at all. Megasquirt is where its at.

ask your friend to buy the turbo stuff he will put on the car after he buys it. Tell him you will "break in" all the turbo parts :giggle:

if he is a good friend i dont see a problem..

+1

This sounds like the best option for you so far. Cast ebay manifold and matching flange turbo.

EDIT: Or if you can snag that setup in the classifieds if it looks decent.

Haha that would be perfect ;)


Which.kit are you talking about??
This one?: https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...onetics-67793/

Shangai-s kit turbo held up pretty good. Lol (for those who know..)

I agree that it's a silly idea to start chopping up manifolds etc, but I'd like to know who of the people that say the MSM turbo is no good actually own one?
I have one on a '00 engine with 6sp and 3.6 and I think it suits the engine perfectly well.
Agreed, it's a small turbo and goes out of breath over 10-12psi, but I like it.
Oh, of course my car only weighs 1350lbs wet :D

You just answered your own question.

I have a MSM turbo setup sitting on the shelf ready to go on. Don't do it, go the cast ebay manifold and china charger route. I got a great deal on the MSM manifold, turbo and downpipe, but I wish I had just kept the money for sometheing more upgradable. Even if you just want a "little" boost to start with, sure it will be ok, but you have very few upgrade options without starting from scratch. You can upgrade the compresor wheel, but for that cost you would be into the cost of a proper manifold and china charger.
Honestly if you are only keeping the car for a few months, leave it alone. Just shift a little later and live on the redline. If you need more power than that you are being dumb on the street in any case. I know everyone wishes they could spend half the money for half the power, but that doesnt work. From personal stupid experience I can honestly say that spending money on proper gear the first time is a hell of a lot cheaper that paying for cheap bandaids 3 times over!
Good luck!

haha thanks for the heads up i actually completely changed direction and decided to run a td04 from a wrx and i am building a manifold for it. This should give me more options for power as well as more reliability and I will also be doing a pnp ecu