emilio700

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I just learned about this stuff from pro driver Billy Johnson. Mentioned in this thread: Ford GT350R thread - Page 6
Based on the info on their website, I bought a case. To my, non-scientist brain, the tech appears legit. It is essentially an engine oil treatment like most others, coating engine surface to reduce friction. The key, and significant difference, is that it works on a nano scale. Smaller than the grains of metal it is interacting with so it forms a finer surface than typical engine coatings. This difference should, in theory, allow the two mating surfaces to transfer heat better.

Nanopro also offers the tech in axle grease, spray lube and a few other forms. I could only find it locally at Autozone so I swung by this morning.

In the coming months, I'll be able to collect some data and share.

NanoProMT - Advanced, Nanotechnology Lubricants

BogusSVO

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Im getting ready to have to change the fluid in both my 5 speed n do a rear gear swap in the next couple weeks.

I may as well give it a try

psyber_0ptix

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I wonder exactly how it forms cohesive bonds. From an adhesion standpoint, the fluid will be diffusion limited depending on exactly how porous the metal is but with such a mismatch in modulus and shear, how exactly can it reduce spalling, galling, and scarring? Does this thing get applied in a non contaminated environment, then baked on or allowed to cure somehow? As you mentioned above, the mere fact that it can make use of more surface area should definitely promote more efficient heat transfer.

doward

I backed a kickstarted for a nano-oil treatment last year. They just went to market. I tossed it into my Club Sport a few weeks after converting to Amsoil and it made a noticeable difference in engine sound and smoothness. I can't feel 2whp, nor have I noticed an extra MPG since we've been hooning it ever since with Xida XL testing.

They have a fairly specific "only add it when at operating temp and let the motor idle for 15 minutes before driving" application process. So it is definitely not applied in a vacuum or onto raw engine parts.

I was skeptical of course, but their launch had tons of science and a NASA engineer gave a live Q&A, so I caved in.

TriboTEX

psyber_0ptix

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Edit: Reading comprehension


$100 for 40,000 miles of a treatment. Might be worth a shot. I can't help but be skeptical though.

The oil stabilizer above, would that be used in conjunction with existing fluid or will that replace a bottle when flushed.

chicksdigmiatas

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Cool! I saw this in autozone, and i just glossed over it assuming it is the same other bullshit that comes and goes with the scent of snake oil. Good to know its the real deal.

I wonder if it could help make a 6 speed less of a shitbox. (Would too much lubrication on the syncros be counter productive?)

sixshooter

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Well, it comes on the heels of wonderful products like slick 50 that just contain suspended Teflon particles which your oil filter had to remove and were never bonded to any surfaces. What a bunch of crap that was.

It would be nice if something like this works because science.

DNMakinson

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Interesting that 2 guys at 949 are evaluating / infatuated with two different nano-additives.

psyber_0ptix

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Luckily anything on the nano scale or under 10's of microns wouldn't be caught up in the filter.

y8s

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Call me a skeptic, but snake oil is snake oil even if it's nano-snake oil...

...until proven otherwise.

so if some solid analysis comes out of this (blackstone before/after?) and it's proven to be less snake, then that's very interesting.

Found an MSDS:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdf...846009fcc7.pdf

it actually lists "Diamond" in there.

emilio700

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I think the particles would be too small to find in a Blackstone analysis. I think conclusive data would come in the form of before/after temperature and wear measurements.

chicksdigmiatas

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So opinions, since I was wondering about experimenting in my transmission with this.

Should I drain a little bit of the ford fluid in mine, and add the stabilizer, or dump all of the ford fluid and go straight with the gear oil?

I am going to experiment with the oil additive in my truck first, since I drive it the most, tow with it, and I think I would notice more so in that. I do more "extreme" truck things than car things these days. I've got to haul about 10k of bricks for a buddy here pretty soon, and there is an oil change coming up pretty soon as well. (As in, I should have done one 1k miles ago).

bahurd

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It'd be helpful if they published, or at least linked to, a true Tribology lab results. If DoD tested [as implied on the web site] those results should be available. MSDS sheet doesn't help.

Dustin1824

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If you have a UOA history with your trans, a UOA will certainly tell you if there is less wear, you'll have smaller concentrations of wear metals from bearings and gears.

I'm very interested in seeing data. I know that oil technology exists that will reduce friction and wear, just take a look at helicopter gear oil technology. Modern oils and gearboxes in those applications are designed so that if there is a TOTAL LOSS of oil, they still have 30+ minutes to fly safely. Think about that...the oil film is tough and slick enough to sustain operation and it doesn't break down for a very long time.

The technology is out there...it's just a matter of time before it becomes available to the public. I think that time may be approaching.

I've also heard of a couple gas additives that actually increase power, and some people have dyno proof. I'm interested in real, independent testing of those products too.

chicksdigmiatas

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I dont, unfortunately. Maybe something to invest in with 6 speed boxes. I never saw it necessary personally, as i think our transmissions are seen as semi disposable at higher power levels.

However, i was mainly looking at improving the feel, and seeing any longevity gains as a welcome side effect. I highly doubt there is anything we can dump in a 6 speed to make it bomb proof at 350 plus torque.

With that being said, i would welcome shifting improvements. My doubts for the additive in the trans were as follows: Nanoparticles adhere to things reducing friction, effectively smoothing the surface. This generates less friction between the syncho and the collar, and reduces the effectiveness of the sychro, causing it to speed down slower, and increase the amount of time for the teeth to engauge, resulting in a slower, poorer shift.

Or, on the flipside, it increases surface area, improves contact, and speeds up synchronizing of the collar/cone match, resulting in a better, quicker shift.

All based on my limited understanding on how modern sychronisers work. Ideas?

Dustin1824

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One thing that bothers me with oil additives is often overlooked, and that is compatibility with the oil you are using. If you ask the additive manufacturer if their product is compatible with oil X, Y, or Z, they will say "yep". If you ask the oil manufacturer X, Y, or Z, they will all tell you "No, if you use any additives you are on your own and it is not recommended"

Every brand and type of oil has different anti-wear additives, detergents, viscosity modifiers, and dispersants.

With so many components in your oil (that are specifically formulated to work together), how do you know that this additive will not bond to any of those components or prohibit those additives from doing their job? Just something to consider.

Basically, it's like any car mod that can cause other parts to fail. The difference is that you can't see issues with oil chemistry.

JasonC SBB

If it increases the oil's thermal conductivity, and if the oil temperature sensor is near the hottest spot of the oil, then it should get hotter not colder, because it picks up more heat from the engine, right? Hotter oil for this reason, will then shed more heat at the oil cooler.

JasonC SBB

Doesn't Blackstone use spectrometry? Meaning they vaporize the sample and look for spectral lines from the elements present...

Leafy

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Will be skeptical until blackstone results are provided. Adding anything to your oil can yield some fucky results. IE Zinc additives will often decrease resistance to foaming and increase wear rather than decreasing it. Modern oil, especially high performance oil is very complicated.

sixshooter

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Yes