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Old 01-23-2014, 05:51 PM   #1
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Hey 1st post wooo been a lurker for far to long :P

ok i have heard this vics manifold is there to give more top end power by opening a resonance chamber at around 5200rpm, i have heard it also shortened the air passege into the engine but this is not true from what i can see on the manifold .

this vics system works on vacuum to remain closed at idle and low rpm then as the throttle is 'WOT' the lack of vacuum and higher rpm will cause the vics to open.

i am installing a turbo to the car which is going to eliminate the vics from working due to no vacuum in the manifold i have 4 options but don't really know which one to go for ....

1. install an actuator electronicly controlled so the vics opens at 5200?
2. do 1. + gut the top of the manifold so the vics is used as a shorter distance for the air to flow?
3. close the vics and never use again ?
4. totally gut the manifold so there is no vics at all? (never seen this done so a bit weary of it )

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5. leave it alone and use VICS as intended you still have a vacuum manifold, you retard.
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Don't gut the VICS unless you're never planning on running the engine slower than ~6k RPMs.

The butterfly valves open up an additional resonance chamber, increasing the engines ability to stuff more air into the cylinders at lower RPMs. At higher RPMs, those butterfly valves close, effectively (though not linearly) shortening the runners of the intake manifold.
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braineack thanks for the welcome i guess ill be not listening to you then .

fooger i thought it was the other way round i thought there closed at slower rpm dependant upon the activation of the actuator and then they open at higher rpm
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braineack thanks for the welcome i guess ill be not listening to you then .
Don't hurt his feelings like that.
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Way to go noob. Tell the admin that you don't plan on listening to advice, when it is the correct advice.

Why even bother asking if you won't hear the right answer?
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braineack thanks for the welcome i guess ill be not listening to you then .

fooger i thought it was the other way round i thought there closed at slower rpm dependant upon the activation of the actuator and then they open at higher rpm
Read up on intake tuning. Short runners are more beneficial at high rpms and long runners are more beneficial at low rpms.
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although i could program this in i will be using a standalone ecu so was wondering if i could use the manifold like a short/long runner a bit like they do with the honda engines ?

there have been a few dyno reslults showing the torque is higher at low rpm while open but lower at high rpm and vice versa and the crossover point been close to 5200 ish rpm so i was going to run it manualy as a short /long runner application
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acedeuce your right and i just explained it the wrong way round oops :s
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Ok so throw it on the dyno and control the switch with your ECU and just set it on whichever gives you the most area under the curve.
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thats what i was thinking tbh i guess its the only way to get an accurate understanding
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You know there's a check valve for the vacuum reservoir built into the manifold right? My vics works perfectly.
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with the standalone ecu i wont have anything to run it also would it be even worth having on a turbo ??
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i give up
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VICS is worth having on a turbo motor.
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I tried.
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I tried.
Me too, I had to keep the quality control levels in check.
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Sometimes you just got to call a spade a spade, and an eggplant an eggplant.


*Wow that phrase sounds super ******* racist out of context.
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