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Old 04-29-2014, 11:16 AM   #1
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So I have a Blouch powered MSM with most of the FM big enchilada junk. I have noticed now that the top down weather is here that when I step into it, the exhaust completely loses its tone and only produces a loud "whoosh". I have the FM 2.5" downpipe with cat and the FM MSM exhaust.

At what point does the 2.5" ceramic core cat become a restriction in earnest?

FWIW I am running ~15 lbs of boost with ~13º timing in the midrange rising to ~15º at redline.
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at the moment it's installed.
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lol the question is how much of a restriction, not if its a restriction.

probably not too much on your setup, but obviously a full 3" catless would yield moar power

that loud WHOOSH is awesome-sauce though, I pretty much try to achieve that on all my cars. absolutely amazing sound
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lol the question is how much of a restriction, not if its a restriction.

probably not too much on your setup, but obviously a full 3" catless would yield moar power

that loud WHOOSH is awesome-sauce though, I pretty much try to achieve that on all my cars. absolutely amazing sound
It's not a good whoosh. It is a big turbo built motor 25 psi with stock 2" exhaust whoosh.
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The sounds that car makes is pretty much it's best quality, honestly. It doesn't just sound like a "woosh" behind you, i promise. One of the smoothest sounding exhausts i've ever heard.

That said, i did kick around the idea of moving to the BeGi SGDP and doing the wastegate port work while i was in there. Should yield a decent bump in power (You know, just to make SURE you vent that block) and get you some more sound.
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The sounds that car makes is pretty much it's best quality, honestly. It doesn't just sound like a "woosh" behind you, i promise. One of the smoothest sounding exhausts i've ever heard.

That said, i did kick around the idea of moving to the BeGi SGDP and doing the wastegate port work while i was in there. Should yield a decent bump in power (You know, just to make SURE you vent that block) and get you some more sound.
I am more concerned with a possible major restriction of power and flow than the sound. I am also running 3-4 more psi boost and several degrees more timing than when you had the car Ben.
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the bottom line is, how much money is that 20hp and possibly a couple hundred rpm worth of spool worth to you? if its worth it, go full 3" catless. If not, don't. I
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I am more concerned with a possible major restriction of power and flow than the sound. I am also running 3-4 more psi boost and several degrees more timing than when you had the car Ben.

We had it at 14-15psi at FM the first time.


I'd say at this point... if you're going to do it, do it right. Whole new exhaust. BeGi SGDP, 3" Enthuza.
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We had it at 14-15psi at FM the first time.


I'd say at this point... if you're going to do it, do it right. Whole new exhaust. BeGi SGDP, 3" Enthuza.
I've had a 2.5 catless downpipe and a metallic magnaflow cat sitting on the shelf since before I picked up the car from you. I just need the right motivation to weld the cat in and install it.
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You're doing it wrong. Leave the cat out.

You don't have to tell me about motivation. You think i've finished the 3" setup on the red car yet? Haaaaiiiilllllll naw.
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You're doing it wrong. Leave the cat out.

You don't have to tell me about motivation. You think i've finished the 3" setup on the red car yet? Haaaaiiiilllllll naw.
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Port your wastegate. It'll be fine. You act like you're not just going to turn up the boost enough to bend **** anyways.
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Port your wastegate. It'll be fine. You act like you're not just going to turn up the boost enough to bend **** anyways.
Meh
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Get EBC going, tune curve to account for boost creepz?
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Get EBC going, tune curve to account for boost creepz?
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you sound like you want to run ALLOFIT

on behalf of this forum, let me just say: YES, do it.
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I would never put the turbokitten in my exhaust, so why would I put any other cat?

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I would never put the turbokitten in my exhaust, so why would I put any other cat?

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Because the IHI exhaust housing cannot deal with it and boost creep occurs. The easy fix is to run a cat of some type. The deal is that my downpipe has the ceramic substrate core which is not of the performance type.
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the easy fix is to not run a failsauce turbo
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In for BORG WARNER S366 stock MSM block madness.
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