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Originally Posted by samnavy
(Post 348573)
post count requirements have their place. Perhaps there is merit to not allowing a new member to start a thread in any forum other than the meet&greet until they have 5 posts. Maybe there is a vb patch that can pop up a window if a new member hits the "new thread" button in a forum he's not allowed in.. Like this:
"you may not start a thread here until you've got 5 posts. The only forum that allows thread starting with less than 5 posts is the meet&greet forum." something like that would be huge!!! i love this forum and i'm not going anywhere, but i feel sav's pain to the bone. You can't do nothing, but the "something" you do must be effective while not driving the guy off. Smooches, sam |
Sav, I did get the one about miata_drift but by the time I got there, Sam(navy) had already been there and the whole thing was done anyway.
In retrospect, and as I gain mod experience, I'd probably have removed most of that thread except for the constructive (or hilarious) responses and moved it to the meet and greet with a reply at the bottom explaining why. That way everyone gets to save some face and the public wont see us get all bent out of shape. The real truth of the matter is, if you all respond to a noob with a super intelligent post, the stupid ones will just feel dumb and leave us alone and the smart ones might be intrigued enough to stick around. |
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 348578)
The real truth of the matter is, if you all respond to a noob with a super intelligent post, the stupid ones will just feel dumb and leave us alone and the smart ones might be intrigued enough to stick around.
But I still <3 you matt ;) |
the dogpiling is getting old. +1 for closing threads and explaining why
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Its obvious that these newbs aren't reading the rules, or help tips, or stickies.
How do I know that? "what turboz do i get" "i want turboz for 2k or less" "what duz 12psi does?" threads are still popping up like crazy. I personally think belittling will just piss people off, and either start flame war with banning needed, or will at least just force a hate between members. We shouldn't make it our business to fuck with people's days, their feelings, or whatever. However, the newest thread ended well (not great) after the OP came back to apologize, AMONGST the bullshit many longtime members here left for him. That showed some balls ;p I'de have just said peace, and never gotten back on, and never showered people with my crazy low low prices and love. So what do we do? Make sure the noobs are reading the rules, tips, and stickies. Make it apparent to the noobs that the rules here mean alot to its members, and that violations are shunned! We need to push this free information, and slow the nub clutter ;p |
Well personally, when I came here, I knew almost nothing about turbo's.
I searched some. But you get a 100 pages of crap to read through and still not find what you are lookning for. And I think about half of us ask which turbo do we need. I had only riden in about 3 turbo cars in my life. And the best way to find something out, is to ask someone who knows. Yes, I tried not to flood with stupidity. But there has to be common ground. I have been here a little over a year. And some of the noobs ask the stupiest questions on earth. And then 33 post later, they are bashing noobs as well. We have a bashing band wagon here. Some is needed, but not all. Some people are not as friendly as others. I will give the shirt off my back. But I do not tolerate disrespect. And if I'm cursed at. I don't care if you ban me. I'm bashing back. A forum and I got into it one day. There was only 3 post on one thread, about my question. So I made a post and explained the situation. They where so stupid. And they didn't want to admit they knew nothing about it. They just started ranting and cusing. Well, I don't go down like that. I pissed them off for a whole day. They still didn't ban me. They couldnt even do that right. They were retards. And now I always talk about their tard-ism's. |
How about a rule that every members' first X posts (10, 25, whatever) are moderated BEFORE publishing, unless a moderator approves the newb for full rights? That's the rule in a tech forum that I run. Works well.
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Originally Posted by evank
(Post 348877)
How about a rule that every members' first X posts (10, 25, whatever) are moderated BEFORE publishing, unless a moderator approves the newb for full rights? That's the rule in a tech forum that I run. Works well.
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i'm on a forum that does that. it is essentially a two-day no-post period every time you want to post. it sucks.
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 348942)
i'm on a forum that does that. it is essentially a two-day no-post period every time you want to post. it sucks.
Creates more work for volunteers, burns people out. It creates a vicious cycle of people coming to post, not seeing it show up, they post it 15 more times in other sections.. 10 new members a day.. maybe 2 post.. but they post numerous times. Do that everyday, it doesn't work. Been there and done that. There is no easy way out. |
In short: Count me in for the "Only allow them to post their first 10 posts in the meet and greet section". Makes a great deal of sense to me, requires very little overhead on the moderators part.
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Basically it all comes back to one thing...there is no way to effectively force people to obey the rules without making it difficult on others.
NOOBS need to listen (search) more and talk less...that's why we have two ears and one mouth. |
Forcing newbs to post in one section will solve nothing. So instead of asking a stupid question in an appropriate forum, they'll do it in an inappropriate forum. Making it more difficult to for newbs to find information in the first place. Vicious cycle continues.
Being a ---- when warranted is ok. When you are being a ---- indiscriminately you just looke (more) immature and stupid. This isn't too difficult. |
he said ----...:giggle:
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Originally Posted by Newbsauce
(Post 349041)
In short: Count me in for the "Only allow them to post their first 10 posts in the meet and greet section". Makes a great deal of sense to me, requires very little overhead on the moderators part.
When things take time and volunteers stop enjoying the site, they stop coming around. When they stop coming around they quit or get booted off from mod status. Cycle begins again with new mods, except now they get a shitty job of dealing with posts in moderation que. There is no easy way, but the most effective way is the forum itself moderating its noobs over 5 moderators who will get over worked quickly. Report posts, send pms or deal with the noobs in thread. |
Everyone was a newb at one point. Hell, in my ignorance I still ask dumb questions and give dumb answers. Some hazing is important. Answers can be done with moderation and a more helpful attitude. A couple "use the search" answers, maybe a link to a helpful thread along with a Y8's style "heads up newb" posting should be sufficient. If the guy doesn't wise up and continues douchebaggery maybe he gets a time out. I don't think the mods should be the only ones to help with this.
The newb bashing is simply too easy on a forum. Someone posts the "waz turboz" crap and the responses are far more harsh than anyone would do in person. Some dummy at DQ walks up and starts taking crap out their ass you aren't going to start cursing and flaming them. You might brush them off or make up some crap to play with them but the FU IDIOT GTFO attitude wouldn't fly. Stupid newb post? Take a deep breath. You don't need to flame every one of them. You can be helpful yet smart-assed at the same time. Lot's of the newbs are used to other forums (like m-net) where everyone's personable and helpful regardless of the ignorance shown in the question. No this shouldn't be M-net. It should be irreverent, funny and harsh at times. Flaming every ignorant question that come across the board isn't helpful though. I don't advocate letting them completely off the hook but there must be a happy medium. How to moderate that is other poeples bailywick. I'm just adding my 2 cents. |
What about having less rules? Apparently nobody reads the original email with the rules, so why not just shorten it to say something like:
Welcome to the forum. We have 3 rules and they are enforced rigorously. 1. Search before you ask a question; chances are it has been asked (and answered) before. 2. Read the stickies; they are kept at the beginning of the section because they contain such useful information. 3. Put your location in your profile, and basics on your car in your signature. It's short and sweet, and then you could make the same thing pop up whenever they hit the New Thread button with less than 10 posts or something. Giving the new guys more to do before they can post will drive them away, and ignoring them will probably just make the situation worse. Just my $.02 Edit: Sorry if this is a dead thread, I just realized how long ago the last post was. |
I like the idea of the rules following what mood I'm currently in.
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Originally Posted by Vashthestampede
(Post 348490)
This placed has changed a shitload over the years. I remember back in Philip's days, members had a hard time not getting banned, let alone the noobs. :bowrofl:
I think its great this place has grown so much, lots of new ideas, lots of new rides, lots more potential. I can only speak for myself when I say this; If I end up in a bullshit, makes no sense type thread....I click back. I don't offer up any more time on reading shit posts, let alone replying to them. I would say I only post to about half of what I read. Lots and lots of junk if you look around or pull up common searches. However, if you've been here long enough then you know how to stay out of the bullshit if you want. I think some people definitely feel the need to rise up and stand tall via the internet and speak their point. Even if the kid is a shitbag, why even dignify a response? If everyone here with a brain sat back and let noobish threads have a week or so without jumping in with your chests sticking out, you'd probably be surprised. Say a new guy makes a thread about something, nobody responds for x amount of time (with exception to noobs), thus giving the OP some time to maybe search, or at least sift through the forums and possibly find his own answer. Maybe he will go off and start another 10 threads, who knows. In that case, a simple "click be gone" and move on with your day. I don't know. I usually laugh at some of the older members on here when I see them go sooo far out of their way to talk shit. :bowrofl: Its all good, not my problem, I usually don't make it too far into the post anyhow. Hopefully all this works out, cause there definitely are some older guys around that haven't posted in awhile. Newb takeover 09' eat your ass out. Vash- |
Ok as a newb myself and my first post was not the best and got cocky too because i did not understand your american humuor i can understand what you guys are saying, a lot of forums have problems with newb posts the few forums i am involved with have setup newb forums where first time poster can ask a question without the fear of being flamed to death, in doing so its up to the regular members to decide either the question deserve answer or not, if you don't like the way the question is worded don't answer it simple. I hope i have not over step the mark here being the Newb, but i have enjoyed reading all your post, as i will be the first to admit i know jack shit about Miatas but learning heaps by just reading. I think you guys have to remember too you all were newbs once and you can't get it right every time.
Feel Free to flame me as i just brought myself some new flame proof under wear lol Cheers Dr. |
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