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Old 12-17-2013, 09:07 PM   #21
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Prior to TF2, neither had I. That would have been 1999, using a mechanical mouse with an actual ball.
I guess it would have been around 2001 for me. I seem to recall having a laser mouse at that point, though I could be mistaken. I do remember a company blowing open the whole "gaming mouse" market segment (Razer?).

Actually, the game that I played for much of the last 6 years or so (Pardus) relied on mostly fast-twitch action for the combat sequences, despite having extremely rudimentary in graphics and mechanics compared to the typical FPS. Never really occurred to me to try a different mouse, though.
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I've never found a need to use mouse buttons as back/forward.

On the MX518, in the normal windows environment, I use the forward or "top" thumb button as a "maximize/restore" button, and the bottom thumb button as a "minimize" button. I use lowest middle-finger button as a "close" button. These 3 buttons work extremely well and intuitively for window navigation. You have to set the buttons up in the logitech software to work this way. I've also found the "increase/decrease mouse speed" buttons extremely useful. I like the mouse because it works for me the same way that Joe likes his mouse because it works for him. I'm shocked that you can't find a current version of the 1.1, but glad that you've been able to pick up some NOS mice. :cheers:
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Having a leftside and rightside button is also the most natural layout when used in a forward / backward context, such as a web browser or frame-accurate video editor, where "backward" is traditionally represented by a left arrow, and "forward" by a right arrow.
As opposed to "forward" being towards the front of the mouse and "backward" being towards the rear of the mouse? I've used both and don't find that I have any problems adapting.

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As opposed to "forward" being towards the front of the mouse and "backward" being towards the rear of the mouse?
TBH, It's more a matter of being able to make rapid, coarse movements in a gaming environment.

In TF2, for instance, my primary weapon is always under my left thumb, and my meleee weapon is always under the first knuckle of my ring finger. I don't have to worry about whether my thumb is aligned with the correct button, it's just a matter of squeezing one side of the mouse vs. the other.

Four years ago, before I got back into FPS gaming, I'd have probably been more open to the idea of a mouse with a large number of small buttons all packed together. But for this specific application, I prefer the simplicity that comes from a small number of buttons distributed symmetrically.

I guess I'm the 10s PC version of a 90s-era Mac fanboi, ranting about how only having one mouse button is superior to having two.
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I don't think there's an objectively right or wrong button configuration. From my research, it's more important to not have a stupid sensor that has always-on angle snapping or uneven acceleration. A lot of the boutique gaming mice tend to have sensors that are more for DPI e-peen measuring rather than actual performance.
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I had that ms mouse 10 years ago and after i moved on the higher dpi mice it took me a long time to arrive at the razer. I have spent maybe 3 grand on mice and keyboards looking for the right combo.
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The Logitech M705 is pretty amazing. Ive been using it for 2 years now, and cant imagine using anything else. lol
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The Logitech M705 is pretty amazing. Ive been using it for 2 years now, and cant imagine using anything else. lol
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I can't imagine ever going back to a corded mouse. But I'm not a gamer and really only use the three top buttons and the wheel.
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I can't imagine ever going back to a corded mouse. But I'm not a gamer and really only use the three top buttons and the wheel.
I still havent found out what that thumbside button is for. lol
But overall, Its an awesome mouse. But like you, i have not gamed with it either, so for all i know, it MAY suck... although, i doubt it, with how awesome it performs on everything else. lol
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I can't imagine ever going back to a corded mouse. But I'm not a gamer and really only use the three top buttons and the wheel.
I couldn't imagine using a wireless mouse for everyday tasks, let alone gaming...
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I couldn't imagine using a wireless mouse for everyday tasks, let alone gaming...
This.

It's not just the added weight, and the hassle of needing to occasionally charge the battery, and the problem of having the mouse fall asleep and not always responding instantaneously to my every command, or the added latency introduced by the wireless connection...

It's the question of why the **** you'd even consider adding all that extra cost and complexity to such a simple problem in the first place.

But then, I don't pretend to understand these things...



Sidebar: I'm taking the day off from work, sitting here at home, listening to some mechanic repeatedly try (and fail) to start a 4,000 HP diesel locomotive just outside my window. It's a really sad, pathetic noise. Kind of like hearing jeff_man talk about how he has spent three thousand dollars (3.75x as much as I spent on my last car) on mouses and keyboards.
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This.

It's not just the added weight
Fun fact, I have the full amout of weight in my g500. Then when i game, i pop out the little cartridge making it lighter. Kind of like when when a baseball player adds weight to the bat.

Not sure if it helps.
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Joe Perez; I feel the same way about my Logitech MX518 It has lasted 11 years now and still going strong. It's a two-timing dirty bastard of a mouse that goes back and forth between my laptop and my desktop.

I suspect that the Logitech M500 is probably a similarly well-built mouse, but it is an ergo instead of the ambidextrious design of the 1.1.
LOVED my MX518. Mine lasted about 5 years before it started to wear out on the bottom. The pads came off and it started scratching and dragging. replaced it with a G9x that I love as much, or more.
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The M705 IS fairly heavy, but there is no lag whatsoever in it. I think its just on all the time if its in the "ON" position. And, it doesnt have the Red light sensor.. not sure how that works, but maybe this particular type of sensor uses less power than the lighted ones, because i have not replaced the battery in this mouse yet. lol
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Best mouse Ive ever owned or even used, hands down:


Logitech G500

It has a lot of features that are silly "gamer mouse" crap, like adjustable weight via a cartridge on the bottom and the mouse wheel can be switched between clicky and free-wheeling (no idea why anybody would want their mouse wheel to free-wheel).

Then it has things that I never thought I would like, such as having adjustable DPI profiles. Its nice to be able to make small changes to sensitivity between programs/games/etc. Having both a backwards and forwards button is great, and the shape of the buttons makes them very easy to feel under your thumb.

But best of all is just the feel of the thing. It fits my hand unlike any other mouse Ive used and it feels very solid and well built.
Its been a couple years now and I still love it. The honeymoon doesn't end.

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I was too cheap to buy the G500 so that's how i ended up witha G400 in the first place
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Running a Logitech Performance MX on my desktop, where its really nice NOT having another cable on my desktop.

This thing even works on glass FFS. The "Darkfield" tracking is really THAT good.

Compared to this mouse, the old Intellipoint mouse (which I loved back then) feels like an old ball mouse.

Btw the silver ones I had (I owned 3 as there was nothing that came close back then) would exhibit position jitter even when they were left untouched. The pointer would also jump to the top left or top right a few times for no apparent reason.

All of them failed eventually. Every single time, it was the cable, a few inches away from the mouse.

Sleep with the Performance MX is an issue only if you haven't touched it for more than 5 minutes, so no big deal.

There are no latency issues. It feels like a wired mouse if you ask me.

Battery life is the only issue on this mouse as it lasts 4-5 days with no off overnight (just sleep). It does however have microusb port, so you can charge it as if it was a normal wired mouse from any USB port and it will still work while you charge it: no downtime at all.
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It's not just the added weight, and the hassle of needing to occasionally charge the battery, and the problem of having the mouse fall asleep and not always responding instantaneously to my every command, or the added latency introduced by the wireless connection...
Seriously Joe?

1) You're an EE, do you really think that in 2013 the electronics for the wireless add more weight than a cord and strain relief?

2) I've used the mouse heavily for over a year and have not had to replace the battery yet. Even if I had to replace it every month, that hassle would pale in comparison to the hassle of having that stupid cord get tangled up in everything.

3) The mouse does respond instantly with absolutely no discernible latency. Again, You're an EE, where's the latency compared to USB? I think you're just making this **** up to be contrarian.
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1) You're an EE, do you really think that in 2013 the electronics for the wireless add more weight than a cord and strain relief?
Yes.



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2) I've used the mouse heavily for over a year and have not had to replace the battery yet. Even if I had to replace it every month, that hassle would pale in comparison to the hassle of having that stupid cord get tangled up in everything.
Noted.



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3) The mouse does respond instantly with absolutely no discernible latency. Again, You're an EE, where's the latency compared to USB? I think you're just making this **** up to be contrarian.
That's a fair criticism. (I was referring to the wake-up lag, but I did not make that entirely clear, so I can't really object to your interpretation that I was referring to the latency of the connection itself.)
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I wonder where the biggest point of latency is.

Singnal from mouse to computer, CPU to display chip, display chip to monitor, monitor to eyes, eyes to brain. Then what that total latency is once everything is added up. It couldn't be slower than a few milliseconds could it?
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