1.6 turbo high flowing manifold polling
#1
1.6 turbo high flowing manifold polling
Hi All,
I've been building my own 1.6 turbo in the UK but found a huge gap in the market for a good flowing manifold at ebay prices..
In the end I bought the below manifold from a chap on this forum and have been looking into having patterns made to re-produce them.
What are your thoughts? am I wasting my time and should I just fit the thing to my own car or is there a market for them?
Thanks for your thoughts
Paul
I've been building my own 1.6 turbo in the UK but found a huge gap in the market for a good flowing manifold at ebay prices..
In the end I bought the below manifold from a chap on this forum and have been looking into having patterns made to re-produce them.
What are your thoughts? am I wasting my time and should I just fit the thing to my own car or is there a market for them?
Thanks for your thoughts
Paul
#5
Right. Well there are plenty of chinese options. If you're going to make it in the UK then we'll have to pay the premium to ship it over to us in the US no? There are quality options for $200, it might be hard to find the niche.
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still...
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still...
#6
Right. Well there are plenty of chinese options. If you're going to make it in the UK then we'll have to pay the premium to ship it over to us in the US no? There are quality options for $200, it might be hard to find the niche.
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still...
Edit: Looks like quality options don't start until around $400. Still...
What price range would be interesting to you in the USA?
#9
The problem as I see it, in the US at least, is that only our 90-93 cars had the 1.6. Most of the people boosting a 1.6 are doing it because they can't afford to swap a 1.8 and boost it, so you have to be at the same price as an Ebay cast log, which I doubt you could do with decent quality. Looks like the Ebay logs are in the $130 range, if you can't sell them for $129 each or less then don't bother.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner.
#10
OP, I can guarantee 100% that you have an old HKS manifold. I can't point you towards any dyno's, charts, etc..but I can tell you that it was later sold through Cork Sport for a while. No idea if it's a quality cast that will crack or if it's bomb proof like the begi/fm lot. The "collector" is hardly perfect and any large T2 frame turbo has a chance of smacking the hood.
Good luck. I'll be here scrounging for pennies to help me finish my feeble 1.6 car in hopes of making 200hp and 130trq.
#12
The problem as I see it, in the US at least, is that only our 90-93 cars had the 1.6. Most of the people boosting a 1.6 are doing it because they can't afford to swap a 1.8 and boost it, so you have to be at the same price as an Ebay cast log, which I doubt you could do with decent quality. Looks like the Ebay logs are in the $130 range, if you can't sell them for $129 each or less then don't bother.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner.
No offense to Viperormiata or the other people building mean 1.6s, but I would bet that the average joe boosting their 1.6 is less willing to pay more for higher flow/quality vs the equivalent 1.8 owner.
With the exchange rate difference between UK and USA I could never get close to $130 I would expect the best I could manage would be closer to $325 inc delivery, although I have yet to finalise costs.
#13
It looks like the downpipe would be tough with that manifold. It could work better flipped as a lowmount? Equal length runners are nice but probably not a must have for most. As others have pointed out it would be tough to compete with that ebay log.
On the subject, I think the best turbo placement is mid mount like theBegi/FM cast pieces. afaik they are not available for 1.6 and in any case have sharpish merges.
My take on this was to try and make a better flowing sidemount log.
On the subject, I think the best turbo placement is mid mount like theBegi/FM cast pieces. afaik they are not available for 1.6 and in any case have sharpish merges.
My take on this was to try and make a better flowing sidemount log.
#14
Give it time. There are already a few stand outs with NB's. Check out CR.net and you will see plenty more.
#15
Here's what you would be competing against as far as cast 1.6 ebay manifolds. There may be some untapped market of rich ***** with 1.6s that I don't know about, but nobody I know with a 1.6 would be interested in a $300 mani vs the $130 ebay one. Again, maybe it's different in the UK where you have more 1.6 cars. But the people that I know who have 1.6 cars bought them because they couldn't afford a 1.8, not because they prefered the 1.6. And those people aren't going to pay extra for quality and high flow.
Oh I'm not denying that they don't exist for the 1.8. I'm saying as an extremely anecdotal data point, that I see more of these with 1.6s than 1.8s, that's all. I wasn't sure if it was the same in the UK since the 1.6 was sold there for longer than the 1.8.
Apparently you missed the slew of noobs asking about the begi S4 knockoff and the infamous TURBO NOT HIT BLOCK (exclusively 1.8). Point is, it's everywhere. Ever since the miata became cheaper it became more popular, and since the 90-93's are the cheapest they became the go-to car for the heathens and miscreants commonly known as reject honda owners. "Hey guys, I just bought this miata for 1200 bucks, I wanna turbo it for pennies, please help?! Be gentle on my virgin anus". Cheap car, cheap people, cheap parts.
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