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Old 12-15-2009, 09:37 PM   #1
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hey guys, tried searching for mercury capri motor swaps but all ive found is information from the b6t in the 323.

so i really want to do a b6t swap but i am on a very tight budget. it will be less money than finding my own parts for a turbo setup, and tuning it (voodoo box is like 400 bucks or more.)

i can get a capri xr2 motor right now for about 350 (hes asking 500 for engine and tranny, has 142k mi so i will replace all gaskets and do tune up.)

engine/tranny 91 capri xr2

the b6t in the mercury capri looks like it will fit without having to fabricate anything, probably just repositioning the intake from the turbo, but thats just from me eyeballing it, ive never seen a oem mercury b6t in person. it also looks like less work than getting the b6t from a mazda 323.

if the motor wont swap without fabrication, do you think i could just buy the turbo setup, injectors, MAF, and ecu (and connectors) from this guy and have it work on my b6?

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So youre on a budget and you want to do a swap?? What is your power goal?? Im not against it but you can get 250whp out a miata 1.6. Also why a voodo box when you can have a MS for the same price, if not less.
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So youre on a budget and you want to do a swap?? What is your power goal?? Im not against it but you can get 250whp out a miata 1.6. Also why a voodo box when you can have a MS for the same price, if not less.
yeah, as long as i can get a job i could do anything id like to this car, but like i said i have set aside some money for my car which is my budget. i have seen swaps and engine builds on budgets so its not like its impossible. anyways, my power goal is anywhere between 180-260hp. i dont want to go all out on this car unless i did a 2jz n/a or gtte swap, which is looking to be extremely possible, (just saw that 2jz swap thread.)


i am well aware of the possible power of a miata 1.6L, but i have no money to diy a turbo setup and tune it let alone buy a used greddy setup for 1k.

this motor is in my price range.

id prefer the voodoo box because like i said, im not trying to go all out on my car. the voodoo box is definitely easier to use. i watched my friend use the voodoo box to tune his turbo miata. (*edit* i also thought the voodoo box was the cheapest way to tune the miata, but i have also considered an apexi safc, but i have heard bad thigns about that.)

i am a beginner to tuning/turbo's so i dont need anything thats going to be overkill to my knowledge (flamesuit on.) i'd much rather have a oem tuned ecu and oem turbo setup. makes it much easier on my part.


so do you know if it will swap or not?
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Haven't heard of anyone doing that. You're going to have a hell of a time wiring in the capri ecu. But why the F would you do this? Do not blow $500 on some POS 140,000 engine. For some more power do a 1.8 swap. THAT we can help you with. Save your money till you have enough for a proper setup.
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...anyways, my power goal is anywhere between 180-260hp....


i am well aware of the possible power of a miata 1.6L, but i have no money to diy a turbo setup and tune it let alone buy a used greddy setup for 1k.

this motor is in my price range.

id prefer the voodoo box because like i said, im not trying to go all out on my car. the voodoo box is definitely easier to use. i watched my friend use the voodoo box to tune his turbo miata. (*edit* i also thought the voodoo box was the cheapest way to tune the miata, but i have also considered an apexi safc, but i have heard bad thigns about that.)

i am a beginner to tuning/turbo's so i dont need anything thats going to be overkill to my knowledge (flamesuit on.) i'd much rather have a oem tuned ecu and oem turbo setup. makes it much easier on my part.


so do you know if it will swap or not?
The Voodo box is easier and cheapest way to tune a miata??? and youre considering apexi safc over an MS... WOW FTF!!!!!!!!

Seriously I would not spend $400 on a **** box. For you power goal I would stick to the B6 given that your speaking in crank power when you say 260hp the B6 is capable of 250whp. Also if you look hard Greddy kits go for as low as $400 at times, along with other great deals on the FS section.

Besides, doing a swap always includes minor bullshit that at the end it adds up. Also does the miata tranny bolt on to the engine your looking to get??

If youre on the budget keep it simple.
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Screw the swap. Megasquirt can be built foor under 400. And that's a fully standalone ecu. Not some shitty bandaid. You haven't told us your budget. I know people have done diy for 500.
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Haven't heard of anyone doing that. You're going to have a hell of a time wiring in the capri ecu. But why the F would you do this? Do not blow $500 on some POS 140,000 engine. For some more power do a 1.8 swap. THAT we can help you with. Save your money till you have enough for a proper setup.
He's looking from 180-260 hp that is well within the range of the 1.6, theres no need for a 1.8 swap. Also with another $500 and good research he can have a set up that can get him to his goal
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Well he kept saying he didn't want MS. I don't entirely blame him, if you're not computer savvy or looking for massive power, it's not necessary. A 1.8 could be done within his supposed $500 budget, and retains his factory tuned ecu. If he's not looking ultimate power, it'd be a decent hp jump. His light weight chassis would make the most of it.
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Haven't heard of anyone doing that. You're going to have a hell of a time wiring in the capri ecu. But why the F would you do this? Do not blow $500 on some POS 140,000 engine. For some more power do a 1.8 swap. THAT we can help you with. Save your money till you have enough for a proper setup.
well, im an auto student, i am great with automotive electrics, soldering, and reading wiring diagrams. i have Mitchell On Demand 5 at my fingertips so i can get any information about any car id like, including wiring diagrams. i dont think getting the capri ecu to work in the miata would be that big of a challenge, why do you think that?

im trying to do swaps people wouldnt consider first since originality is a key thing for me, i dont like to do things others have done, that would just make me a follower. also i disagree with the 1.8 swap because the same power can be had in the 1.6 that im aiming for.

my miata motor is the piece of ****, it has 200k miles and runs like ***.

i normally wouldnt swap a motor with 100k miles or over, but miatas have a b6 motor, capri's have a b6 motor. why wouldnt they be the same in the reliability-under-boost department?

its 1.6L 4 cylinder from mazda, we arent talking about a boosted saab or audi..

anyways, all i want to know is if it will swap without modification??

p.s. i could definitely live without the discouragement here because i can think of a million reasons why not to do the swap by myself, im not incompetent.
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If you wanna do a swap put in a FE3 (2.0L)....I think stock n/a they have around the 160hp mark and when turbo'd they can put down some serious numbers. That and from what I have read they are very stout in stock form...

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Ok then knock yourself out. Post pics once youre done.
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Do the swap if you want, I'd want a 1.8 if I were going through the trouble. You say you can get your HP goal with the 1.6, which is absolutely true, but the 1.8, all other factors equal, will spool faster and have more torque, and you also get the availability of the higher-flowing '99 head if you should find more money. [/runonsentence]

You also said you can't afford a used Greddy, but you're aiming between 180-260. With what your budget seems like, I'll e-high-five you if you get over 180 hp.
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The Voodo box is easier and cheapest way to tune a miata??? and youre considering apexi safc over an MS... WOW FTF
i dont think i need to quote myself in saying i am a beginner at turbos/tuning. i dont know anythign really about tuning and have only elarned how to tune a voodoo box. I have not seen a MS go for less than 500. i do not need a standalone for the power im looking to get.

a member on the forum suggested i get a bandaid for basic boost. i intend to do so.

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Seriously I would not spend $400 on a **** box. For you power goal I would stick to the B6 given that your speaking in crank power when you say 260hp the B6 is capable of 250whp.
i suppose a oil leaking, overheating, bent valve, and overly abused miata b6 is better for boost.

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Also if you look hard Greddy kits go for as low as $400 at times, along with other great deals on the FS section.
lowest ive seen is 900 incomplete. ive been looking every other week, maybe i need to look harder, which i will try to do.

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Also does the miata tranny bolt on to the engine your looking to get??

this is the type of question i intended to be answered. if anybody has this information i would like to know the answer to this.




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Screw the swap. Megasquirt can be built foor under 400. And that's a fully standalone ecu. Not some shitty bandaid. You haven't told us your budget. I know people have done diy for 500.
standalone ecu requires dyno money + tuning money i dont have. i know how to use a voodoo box, and if i were going to get a turbo kit instead this is how i would do it, THEN move to a MS.

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He's looking from 180-260 hp that is well within the range of the 1.6, theres no need for a 1.8 swap. Also with another $500 and good research he can have a set up that can get him to his goal
thanks, this is correct. i have tried the turbo setup option, and it it is on the top of my list, i have already discussed turbo options with other members and would like to not have this be a unintentional double post.

im just trying to figure out if this swap can be done, how hard of an answer is this to recieve?

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Well he kept saying he didn't want MS. I don't entirely blame him, if you're not computer savvy or looking for massive power, it's not necessary.
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A 1.8 could be done within his supposed $500 budget, and retains his factory tuned ecu. If he's not looking ultimate power, it'd be a decent hp jump. His light weight chassis would make the most of it.
i am looking for boosted power, N/a doesnt nearly excite me as turbo power does. i bought the miata with the intentions of boosting it.
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well, im an auto student, i am great with automotive electrics, soldering, and reading wiring diagrams. i have Mitchell On Demand 5 at my fingertips so i can get any information about any car id like, including wiring diagrams. i dont think getting the capri ecu to work in the miata would be that big of a challenge, why do you think that?

im trying to do swaps people wouldnt consider first since originality is a key thing for me, i dont like to do things others have done, that would just make me a follower. also i disagree with the 1.8 swap because the same power can be had in the 1.6 that im aiming for.

my miata motor is the piece of ****, it has 200k miles and runs like ***.

i normally wouldnt swap a motor with 100k miles or over, but miatas have a b6 motor, capri's have a b6 motor. why wouldnt they be the same in the reliability-under-boost department?
Different camshafts, pistons, rods, crank, possibly a different bolt pattern for the transmission. Hell, there are enough reasons to swap in a head from a manual car if you're turbocharging a automatic miata, whether or not you're keeping the autobox, there's bound to be countless differences going between a FWD Ford and a RWD Mazda. Mazda engine or not, Ford is still the one that installed it, not Mazda. They could've asked for a completely different engine mount design from Mazda, who knows. Guess you'll find out.


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anyways, all i want to know is if it will swap without modification??
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You also said you can't afford a used Greddy, but you're aiming between 180-260. With what your budget seems like, I'll e-high-five you if you get over 180 hp.
that is what i would like to stop at. if i do piece together a turbo kit, i would like to go with the voodoo box for now, learn to drive my miata under boost, upgrade to a MS standalone. then upgrade my turbo and fuel system. then you can e high five me when thats completed probably next year.

*edit* my miata is manual, curly. and i am looking for fact based opinions on why it will not swap. the 323 b6t swaps without having to make an adapter plate, it is a fwd engine (requires other modification though).

you cannot tell me i cant do it just because its a fwd motor. i am looking for actual differences between the mazda b6 and the capri b6 that i cannot do this swap.
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i dont think i need to quote myself in saying i am a beginner at turbos/tuning. i dont know anythign really about tuning and have only elarned how to tune a voodoo box. I have not seen a MS go for less than 500. i do not need a standalone for the power im looking to get.

a member on the forum suggested i get a bandaid for basic boost. i intend to do so.



i suppose a oil leaking, overheating, bent valve, and overly abused miata b6 is better for boost.



lowest ive seen is 900 incomplete. ive been looking every other week, maybe i need to look harder, which i will try to do.




this is the type of question i intended to be answered. if anybody has this information i would like to know the answer to this.






standalone ecu requires dyno money + tuning money i dont have. i know how to use a voodoo box, and if i were going to get a turbo kit instead this is how i would do it, THEN move to a MS.



thanks, this is correct. i have tried the turbo setup option, and it it is on the top of my list, i have already discussed turbo options with other members and would like to not have this be a unintentional double post.

im just trying to figure out if this swap can be done, how hard of an answer is this to recieve?



thank you.



i am looking for boosted power, N/a doesnt nearly excite me as turbo power does. i bought the miata with the intentions of boosting it.


Thats one hellavu reply right thurr........just so you know it seems like your comin out swingin, people on this forum don't usually aid those that come off that way, especially when they have 26 posts
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i dont think i need to quote myself in saying i am a beginner at turbos/tuning. i dont know anythign really about tuning and have only elarned how to tune a voodoo box. I have not seen a MS go for less than 500. i do not need a standalone for the power im looking to get.

The funny thing is that you dont have to be a tuner to tune and understand a MS. Trust me is not really that hard, you can even use the autotune which more or less tunes the this itself

a member on the forum suggested i get a bandaid for basic boost. i intend to do so.

If you want 260hp eventually youre gonna have to have real management. If you're good at reading wiring diagrams, there a full write up on how you can assemble your own MS in the DIY section. And it will be less than the **** box youre looking to get


i suppose a oil leaking, overheating, bent valve, and overly abused miata b6 is better for boost.

You never said **** about your motor, oh btw they go for $200 if you look

lowest ive seen is 900 incomplete. ive been looking every other week, maybe i need to look harder, which i will try to do.

There was one for 1k complete not long ago. Anyway if youre looking to go cheap fab your own mani and dp, and get an ebay turbo


this is the type of question i intended to be answered. if anybody has this information i would like to know the answer to this.

Well exactly youre looking at a motor that most likely no one will swap, because theres no real advantage on doing so. Is it still a 1.6 and from a ******* capri FTL!!




standalone ecu requires dyno money + tuning money i dont have. i know how to use a voodoo box, and if i were going to get a turbo kit instead this is how i would do it, THEN move to a MS.

MS requires to be installed and I bet theres someone close your area that will help street tune and learn how to tune yourself. And theres plenty of support in the site
There you go my 0.02
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Thats one hellavu reply right thurr........just so you know it seems like your comin out swingin, people on this forum don't usually aid those that come off that way, especially when they have 26 posts
i did not intend to post like that, but i had a lot of posts to cover, and did not want to double post, as general forum rules point to avoid double posting.

i recieved a lot of information that other members and i had already covered in another thread, as seen here: https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t35157/

buffon01, i havent seen a miata motor go for 200. ive had a thread in the classified section for over 4 months asking for a 1.6 motor for about 500, couldnt even find that, ive searched and even in old posts havent found a motor for less than 350 bucks. but its possible, i will not doubt that.

i have a sr20det t25, thats the closest i am to a turbo kit at the moment. i have seen greddy manifolds go for very cheap, but all of this time im wasting sourcing together my own turbo kit i could be installing this motor. as you say, i can find all of this if i wait, which i really dont plan to spend more months doing.
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If you're for sure boosting your miata, and are eventually planning on going MS, I think most of us would suggest doing that first. I know it's a lot to take in, but you'll learn quick, and it's a much better plan than adding MS later, I know this from experience.



NO ONE ON THIS FORUM KNOWS ANYTHING 'BOUT SWAPPING A CAPRI MOTOR INTO A MIATA.
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NO ONE ON THIS FORUM KNOWS ANYTHING 'BOUT SWAPPING A CAPRI MOTOR INTO A MIATA.
i was just asking. it was a question i came across when i figured out the capri has a b6 motor. ill find out for myself.
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