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dc2696 01-25-2010 09:30 PM

ClutchNet disc, Time to replace
 
When I pulled the motor and trans again (6speed going in finally), I stripped off the clutch and flywheel to throw the motor on the stand and I shouldn't really say I was surprised but my clutch net disc (6 puck sprung) is done.

I doubt I have 10k km on it, 2 summers of driving, maybe half a dozen track days.

Is this wear excessive?

Should I replace it with another of the same?

No significant hot spots on the flywheel or anything so it doesn't look like I abused it that much.

JasonC SBB 01-25-2010 10:01 PM

My Spec Stage 2 (half kevlar half organic) only lasted 30k miles.

I bought an FM 1 clutch.

JayL 01-25-2010 10:04 PM

What pressure plate are you using?

WonTon 01-25-2010 10:06 PM

6 speed FTW..............go ACT!

Braineack 01-25-2010 10:22 PM

Pics or gtfo.

dc2696 01-25-2010 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by JayL (Post 513363)
What pressure plate are you using?

Red, I think thats there strongest pp and the disc, IIRC it was supposed to hold 400ft/lbs or maybe it was 300...Something like that.

Lol and yes go 6 speed indeed, no more swapping trannies 3 times a week haha, and time to put down some real power:drool:

WonTon 01-25-2010 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by dc2696 (Post 513380)
Red, I think thats there strongest pp and the disc, IIRC it was supposed to hold 400ft/lbs or maybe it was 300...Something like that.

Lol and yes go 6 speed indeed, no more swapping trannies 3 times a week haha, and time to put down some real power:drool:

what are you going to do bout your diff gearing?

4.10, 3.9, or 3.63?

dc2696 01-25-2010 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 513379)
Pics or gtfo.

Just for you sweetheart I'll brave the minus whatever cold as fuck it is outside and get a pic.

WonTon 01-25-2010 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by dc2696 (Post 513383)
Just for you sweetheart I'll brave the minus whatever cold as fuck it is outside and get a pic.

UH OH! :makeout: :giggle:

dc2696 01-25-2010 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by WonTon (Post 513382)
what are you going to do bout your diff gearing?

4.10, 3.9, or 3.63?


Having rebuild my lsd more times then I care to remember trying to get the right slip, its staying how it is until a change is necessary. Its a 4.10 with rx7 lsd.

WonTon 01-25-2010 10:44 PM

first gear will be kinda short!

there are folks running 6 speed and 4.10's without complaints, but i recomend trying to get ahold of a torsen 3.9 out of a 01, 02, or 04 (makes them gear a tad bit longer) :bigtu:

dc2696 01-25-2010 10:50 PM

fail.

dc2696 01-25-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WonTon (Post 513397)
first gear will be kinda short!

there are folks running 6 speed and 4.10's without complaints, but i recomend trying to get ahold of a torsen 3.9 out of a 01, 02, or 04 (makes them gear a tad bit longer) :bigtu:

I'll pick up a 3.6 when I finish school and have more money to spend, I never use first gear anyway, its completely useless as is.

Pics are uploading, dial up ftl

Pics: Attachment 200961

Attachment 200962

Attachment 200963

Rivets are basiclly flush with the friction pads. Wear looks pretty normal I'm thinking..

WonTon 01-25-2010 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by dc2696 (Post 513404)
I'll pick up a 3.6 when I finish school and have more money to spend, I never use first gear anyway, its completely useless as is.

Pics are uploading, dial up ftl

3.6 is even better! Rotornut was running 6 speed and 3.63's that was tah sex!

FastColt 01-26-2010 10:25 AM

That's normal wear, esspecially wth the track days. Plus its a puck disc, less surrface area equals greater wear faster. I know dsm guys that drag/street race, they bang through 1 clutch a season.

Braineack 01-26-2010 10:35 AM

they don't have much friction material from the start, the rivets are like 1mm inset from the surface new.


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dc2696 01-26-2010 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by FastColt (Post 513592)
That's normal wear, esspecially wth the track days. Plus its a puck disc, less surrface area equals greater wear faster. I know dsm guys that drag/street race, they bang through 1 clutch a season.

Werd werd, I just wanted to make sure that the clutch net disc its self (as in construction material of the pads) wasn't the reason for the quick wear out.

Like I said, flywheel looks really good, no hot spots or excessive wear patterns.

m2cupcar 01-26-2010 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by dc2696 (Post 513315)
...my clutch net disc (6 puck sprung) is done.

Do you have a local clutch shop? You can save yourself some dough and get new friction pads installed. IMO that's a very well constructed street disc- more robust that anything I found as far as the hub structure. I paid my local clutch shop just over $50 to add new material to a four puck disc.

Any idea what friction material was on it new? Did it look like this?
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...utchnet2-1.jpg
That is the copper ceramic friction material- and rated at 400ftlbs with the sprung hub. The next step down was carbon fiber rated at 300ftlbs. If your disc has copper ceramic, it shouldn't wear like that if truly unabused. That looks like a slipping disc to me. Odd the flywheel doesn't show it.

I bet DC would break a torsen within a week of install. ;)

dc2696 01-26-2010 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 513601)
Do you have a local clutch shop? You can save yourself some dough and get new friction pads installed. IMO that's a very well constructed street disc- more robust that anything I found as far as the hub structure. I paid my local clutch shop just over $50 to add new material to a four puck disc.

Any idea what friction material was on it new? Did it look like this?
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...utchnet2-1.jpg
That is the copper ceramic friction material- and rated at 400ftlbs with the sprung hub. The next step down was carbon fiber rated at 300ftlbs. If your disc has copper ceramic, it shouldn't wear like that if truly unabused. That looks like a slipping disc to me. Odd the flywheel doesn't show it.

I bet DC would break a torsen within a week of install. ;)

I believe I ordered the 400ft/lbs disc as I anticipated making 350rwhp, so yes it should be the copper ceramic. It def wasn't the carbon fiber, I remember hearing overheating stories and stayed away from it.

Who said my clutch WASN'T abused?;) I beat the shit out of my car on a regular basis, ie) downshifting on the highway and laying rubber @ 100kph lol

I just thought it might last alittle longer at that abuse level.

I probably can get the pads replaced locally, great idea M2.

Ya, the flywheel has alittle bit of heat marking but nothing significant (Ya I'll get a pic before anyone asks)

As for the Torsen...lol

Braineack: Werd on the pad depth, might aswell replace them now that its out though, thanks for the pics.


-Dean

FastColt 01-26-2010 11:35 AM

That's normal wear, esspecially wth the track days. Plus its a puck disc, less surrface area equals greater wear faster. I know dsm guys that drag/street race, they bang through 1 clutch a season.


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