Actually they come with 100+hp per liter NA. The crap comes with the owners of the cars. Same as the Miatas with 80 pounds of polished bits in the cabin and under the hood, not a fault with the car just the idiots that own them.

If you are remotely serious... realize that my last stock longblock (non-turbo) honda... had zero issues passing greddy powered miatas on track. I was passing evos/m3s and such... do you really think that only ricers drive hondas?

If you really think what you said.... as owners of miatas we are all gay or women... or both.

Keep the shit talking back in HS please.

btw... stock k20-T setups are yielding 400+ setups. F22 even more.

stock as in "never opened"? wow. :eek5:

Power is in the head which is Hondas' specialty.

Yah, the newer motors have shown alot of potential.

Unless memory fails me, the f22 internals are forged.... so with the larger displacement and more boost...

Oh, did i mention the k20-T's are doing 400+ on 93?

Great motors, one of the reasons I'll always work on Hondas... so damn easy to work on and fun to make power with.

but... I'm super excited to finish my miata build. I had my fwd track car.. now its rwd time.

I found this movie of an K20 engine in a 900kg Citroen Saxo. They put it in the rear, so it's rwd now :bigtu:

http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2007/...rwd-met-220-pk

K20 engines are pretty damn sweet. Honda deffinately know's their shit with head work. Make sure you get the one from the RSX that way you have the 200hp with oil squirters and all the good stuff.

Along the lines of the Citroen, a friend of mine who has already built one of the most unique DSM's. (GSX Spyder) Is now building a RWD Spyder GS-T by moving the motor to the back like a MR2.

There are some other cheap alternatives, I know V6's might be a hard fit especially in DOHC form, but a popular MR2 swap is from a 4 banger to the V6's they put in things like Camry, lots of availability, so cheap and apparently it fits.

The K20 to get is the K20A2 (RSX-S) and not the K20A3 from the EP Si and base RSX, just to further your point Eva. Hell, you could even try for the K20Z from the new Si coupes but they run an AFM and the ECU is pretty tough to crack.

Those sound expensive for my 17 year old NA - I did my swap because it was dirt cheap. What does a K20 cost? Does it bolt up to a honda rwd trans?

I know someone with the RSX-S engine in a RWD civic (crazy Canadians)... the transmission is a custom job and not cheap. I'd assume he would have used the s2K trans if it bolted up.

I'd think so too. That's where the price just keeps going up- beyond the engine. My FE was $900 delivered and got my TurboII trans for free. The bellhousing to bolt the two together will be ~$300 delivered. I'll just need to build an adapter to bolt the ppf to the TII trans and get a hybrid drive shaft made.

Yah, there is a local motor for sale for like 300... but all the custom work just kills the functionality of a swap like this. It becomes a look at me/showcar swap and not a fun track car swap anymore.

But can you reproduce it for $900?

what about one of those v8's made out of 2 hayabusa engines, 300hp, na, some retarded redline, all aluminum.

I really want to see one in a super7/similar

Those V8s run about $20k...for just the engine.

I think there's a few places that sell OE Mazda FE3s for $1k delivered - one in Miami and one in NC somewhere. Is that the right answer? :confused: I'm talking a bone stock, unopened Mazda FE3, not a stroker.

http://miata.net/motm/2007/snell.html

Hope the link works. It's the dotnet MOTM, a blue Miata with a KL V6. From the sound of it it's the closest thing to a VR6 that wouldn't require me to "pioneer" the swap in my non-existant garage. And, from the looks of it, there's plenty of room for 2 log-style manifolds and some spinny things...

He's got a post that summarizes all his work- and there was a LOT of it. Far more work than the V8 route, and more than I'd want to do for V6. Though I fully understand the appeal. I had a 95 626 v6 5spd and loved that engine- and the car too. At just under 2900lbs it was quick and fun.

hey m2cupcar, what did you use for motor mounts? was the FE compatible with some flavor of miata mount?

You can see a picture of the customized Miata mounts on his page right here: http://roadsterrage.com/rob/pages/7895.htm